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T-38A Talon Thunderbird
Posted by TheMongoose on Thursday, January 03, 2019 9:17 PM

The saga continues. I'm half way through my Thunderbird project now. With KittyHawk's new F-5E & F versions out I picked up the canopies, seats and a few other miscelaneous parts that will make this half-scratch-built model look the part. 

I've got 3 Hasegawa kits, 2 KittyHawk kits, the Belcher Bits F-5A conversion, The Daco book, and A Pictorial History of the T-38 Talon, cockpit shots from Peter Fleischman, plus my own walkaround shots from the T-38A at the  Praire Aviation Museum. I learned how to scribe during the Fall so I plan to rescribe the whole plane to be accurate.

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Tonight I worked on making the intakes out of the resin parts provided for the F-5A.

Check it out...here's what I started with

  

For consistency I kept everything plastered to the plans. Glad I made 3 copies of everything since I cut and sanded these plans :excl:

 

I extended the front edge of the intake to use as a guide for the razor saw. The cut doesn't extend to the bottom of the resin piece. On the drawing and in photos you can clearly see a fillet on each end of the angled face. So what I did was drill a hole at each endpoint to make a smooth radius. Then cut in from a 90degree angle to seperate the pieces.

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Initially I milled the large sections off but for the 2nd one I decided it was safer (for part integrity not me lol) to cut the excess off with the razor saw and then file down the resin to the edge of my sharpie marker shadow.

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Finished it up with my diamond files...And I present to you 2 perfect intakes ready for attachment!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, January 03, 2019 9:31 PM

What about the deeper fuselage profile?

John

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Posted by TheMongoose on Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:10 PM

Good question...and one I’m still staring at. the top of the fuselage follows the profile well. The bottom to your point is about 4mm shallow by eye. My current thinking is that i can build this up, shape it, and add inthe panel lines. any thoughts and advice on how best to do it would be valuable!

extending it is most valuable i think if doing wheels down. That’s because the cockpit is too shallow due to gear bay depth. Since mine will be in flight I just removed the bay and plan to drop cockpit onto the floor of fuselage.

Heres a profile pick for those who may be wondering. With the front fuselage  fitted since i took this shot, i found that the top matches better than the bottom in profile. I’m going to try something end-on though using the camera and see if I can be more definitive about what needs addressed to get it right.

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, January 04, 2019 9:20 AM

This looks like it going to be quite a project. I'm going to be watching this for sure.

BK

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:48 AM

Hmmmm, very interesting...  What's mostly interesting is that the F-5 fuselage should be deeper than the T-38 under the wing especially.  Not shallower.  The F-5 had a heavier  and larger landing gear to fair in.  However, I think you are going to get real close and will not have invested as much as I have in the Collectaire T-38 sitting in my stash.

John

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:24 PM

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:09 AM

Lots of little, boring stuff going together lately. I've got the main bay covers on now, the lower wing scribed and sanded the auxiliary intake covers fitted and misc pieces aligned. Yesterday and today I worked on assembing the cockpit so I thought to share progress. 

To keep the shape of the nose I cut almost through it with a razor saw.

Looks like it should be one of those African nose piercings doesn't it?

 

Now I'm onto the cockpit. I have the rear all set. Here's a profile showing the alignment to the canopy 

...and a shot of the IP work I've done so far - just through the mock-up canopy for now to get a feel for how it's going to look.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:43 PM

Slow but steady progress today. This cockpit is going to take another 2 weeks I bet before it's done. Puting the canopies up I found that they weren't square to each other so they didn't quite lay in a straight line. At first I couldn't figure out why, then I remembered neither KH or Hasegawa made a closed canopy, the only option was open. Which made me realize I was missing the loop that separates the two canopies...DUH. So that's what I custom made tonight. Took me 2 tries to get one that fit in nicely. Now I'll have something easy to mount the rearview mirrors to.

The top of a Vallejo 17ml bottle worked great as a backstop to keep from breaking the piece while sanding.

 

Now I need to adjust my pilot height and I'm all set. Looking at pics from the references I have the seat looks about right here but then again I've stared at it for days so let me know if your eyes think the seats should be moved any at all?

 

Tomorrow I hope to work on the coming. Then I can start putting things in solid and filling and sanding to make everything come together smoothly. Night All...or even Good Morning to some lol

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:01 PM

Thats quite a bit of surgery!  Coming along nicely.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:08 AM

keavdog you got that right! I keep hoping I can get it smooth enough that you won’t see allthat once it’s painted. I feel like I’ve been working on this cockpit for a year.

Time for a motivational sidetrack! I drilled and pinned the wings this morning. Put some tape on the tail to hold it in place. Now it’s starting to take shape :party0023:

small compromise on the wing position. They’re aft about 2mm due to where the main wheel bays are on the belcher kit. Anything else looked stupid because the gear doors on the wings didn’t line up. 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Friday, January 18, 2019 10:32 PM

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, January 19, 2019 12:17 PM

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, January 19, 2019 8:15 PM

Character established! I finished up the nose tonight. I've gotta say I think this turned out pretty great. I was limited by the Belcher Bits kit profile which was based on the hasegawa kit so there was only so much thickness I could add without putting a step in the profile starting at the cockpit :shrug: 

I made up some templates for the horizontal and vertical profiles. Then sanded slowly till the profile matched the template.

 

Here's where that issue with the height of the fuselage comes in. What I did was make sure the profile on the top and the bottom matched the drawings. The overall scale thickness is then left about 2mm thinner than it should be. If you checked out my earlier posts you know it's already 4mm thicker and any more would make it look like the plane was pregnant!

 

So of course I had to put as much together as I could to see if the profile looks the part now. Check this out and let me know what you think?

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:44 AM

All finished with the major profile changes for the front fuselage. Canopies are all fitted and lay down pretty nice with a uniform gap between the cockpits. Now it's time to fill it with foam and tape it up until all the fine putty work is done and sanded. I'm hopeful those big spacers down the side will cover nicely and not show through the body-work.

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Posted by Tosh on Sunday, January 20, 2019 12:02 PM

Your attention to detail is phenomena.

Your friend, Toshi

Reside in Streetsboro, Ohio

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Posted by TheMongoose on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:28 PM

Thanks Toshi! Some of this can get boring I'm sure. Glad you enjoy the details of an extended build :-)

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Posted by TheMongoose on Friday, January 25, 2019 8:55 PM

You know these little models are nothing like their full size partners. When I need to figure out if I have the bodywork smooth on a car I lay a paper towel on the surface, lay my hand flat on it, and then slide it across the new bodywork. It's amazing how if you take your eyes out of the process and just use feel how well you can tell of the surface is flat. Not here! So I initially did some sanding on the offending parts shown above and I ended up with a step down in the bondo. Not what I wanted :oops:

 

Time to break out more tools...This is a great profile tool for models...and the kids thought it was for facial recognition, bah.

Obviously the right side is lower than the left, so I need to add putty. 

 

The workbench now looks like this :whistle:

 

This was the worst side. This pic shows how far back I brought the putty to feather in the edge and get the profile correct.

 

Much better profile now. I also did one on the sides but I'll spare you those views :rolleyes:

 

Final version, 1 day's worth of time. I made sure to let everything dry. I tend to move too fast and sand before anything is dry...

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Saturday, January 26, 2019 5:09 AM
The nose is a work of art

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:40 PM

Lots of little stuff this weekend is starting to come together. I had to fill and rescribe most of the wings. I only left the hinge joints alone. Along the top of the fuselage those panel lines were part of the resin part, the rest I did. They are a bit deep and wide now that i see them in primer so i will have to try and minimize them as I’d rather not fill and rescribe if I don’t have to. Later this week I’ll scribe the front fuselage and then it’s time to join the halves together!

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not seen are the stabilators. I drilled and pinned them so they will rotate like they should when in the fuselage. The vertical tail is pinned and sanded. Once i do the lights in it I’ll glue it on. I wouldn’t do that yet but it needs filler and the scribed lines have to cross from the tail onto the fuselage so I’m stuck there.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:32 PM

Stellar week here - I got a personal tour of the AT-38B Thunderbird at the Aviation Museum of Kentucky! In all my searches it’s never come up, until last week. I called and they had the team working on projects there set me up with a ladder so I could grab shots of both cockpits. It’s hard to find walkaround pics of these planes for some reason. I swept the floor for them basically while taking pictures under the plane as well as all around it. Have the last details needed to finish the cockpit. I’ll detail things out as i go forward. Here’s a few shots from the trip.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Friday, February 01, 2019 9:19 PM

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, February 03, 2019 9:32 PM

Working on both ends this weekend. Trying hard to get to a point where i can prime it all 1 color. 

There were gaps at the exhaust. The Belcher bit kit instructions said to expect it to be rough and that it should be sanded down. To keep the overall length and avoid trying to square everything up i decided to add a spacer. Turned out to be perfect because now there’s a slight gap between the nozzles whereas before they touched at the base of them.

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on the nose I worked to scribe the new panel lines. Started with a template to sketch it out in pencil. 

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the big panels were scribed. While i was looking at Archer Rivets I discovered they have a sheet of miscellaneous panels and fuel doors. They all have rivets...wow just what i need for this plane under the cockpit. 

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and then last i worked on the light for the landing gear. This thing is 5.5mm in diameter. Not enough spares for me in my short modeling career to have this. I was able to make one though out of the main runner from a clear parts sprue! Sanded some curvature on it using a special sanding block for pool cues. It’s shaped just like the face of a light. Some sanding and polishing and POOF 1 light. Covered the surface with blue tape and cut it off.

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Traveling for a few days, so till next weekend happy modeling!

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:51 AM

Time to force myself to take a break and let some glue dry. I've got the fuselage halves together. Originally I thought I would use putty to build up the belly but looking at it yesterday it just seemed like too much. I am afraid it will crack in the future. Thought about it overnight and didn't really have a good solution until just a little bit ago. I cut out the shape I wanted from some styrene sheet and then used my heat gun to soften it and shape it. Now I need some thin sheet along the side and it will take just a little bit of putty to taper all the edges into the fuselage.

 

Here's a broader view. I have all the scribing done. This morning I also installed the landing light on the nose.

 

That's all for now folks!

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Posted by TheMongoose on Monday, February 11, 2019 9:20 PM

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Posted by Tosh on Tuesday, February 12, 2019 2:33 PM

This build is coming a long just nicely.  Fantastic work!

Your friend, Toshi

Reside in Streetsboro, Ohio

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Posted by UKguyInUSA on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:18 PM

You've got a lot more patience than I have with all that insert, filling sanding etc, but in the end, it'll all be worth it. Can't wait to see the end result!

Cheers Smile Yes Beer Beer

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Posted by TheMongoose on Friday, February 15, 2019 5:23 AM

Thanks Toshi and UKguy!

You know without KittyHawks new F-5F this baby would have sat for a long time as the canopy was kicking my butt. I’m putting all those filling and sanding skill from too many Revel models as a kid to use now lol Probably on a lull for a week or so while i get her ready for a final prime. Plus I’m losing Saturday this weekend, going to Blizzcon, the model club show up in Columbus Ohio. Will post up next once the wings are on. 

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM

Sir, you work here is nothing short of incredible. My jaw is on the floor with each step you take. You are an ambitious man, keep it coming.

BK

On the bench: 1/48 Kinetics E-2C Hawkeye

1/72 Meng F-102A Case XX

1/25 MPC Deserter GMC 4x4.   Shelf of doom for now.....

On Deck: 1/48 Italeri Tornado IDS "Black Panthers"

1/48 Hasegawa P-38J Lightining

 

 

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