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Miniart 1/35 Triebflugel!
Posted by Real G on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 1:58 PM

Oh man:

http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2019/0508/5793.html

So where the heck is a new-tool 1/72 version?  Amusing Hobby is doing one in 1/48, so where's the small scale equivalent?  I built the dinosaur-era Huma kit, but it's old and tired and could use a replacement.

In 1/35, the Triebflugel's wings will take up a lot of shelf real estate.  Oh well, it will look nice next to my Meng V2 misisle.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 2:06 PM

35th seems and odd scale, why not 32. That said, i might well be adding one. But a new 72nd would be nice.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 2:27 PM

Unusual for Luft '46, but there's not much size difference between 1/35 and 1/32. Never done a miniart kit but this could find its way onto my bench. Could be a fun project.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 2:32 PM

Bish,

I agree 1/72 would be the preferred scale.  That way I can form my own Triebflugel Staffel!  Stick out tongue  And of course there are other whiffer possibilities, like Japanese home defense squadron, belligerent Italian forces, captured Soviet, US, and British machines, and of course post-war French.

But I'll definitely buy a Miniart kit, odd scale notwithstanding.  I confess to have had 2 1/48 Amusing Hobby kits on pre-order because I felt I could not get enough Triebflugel.  But I cancelled one in anticipation of the Miniart kit.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 2:35 PM

SnapdragonXXX,

I wonder who will be the first to mod a V2 Meillerwagen to take a Triebflugel fuselage?  The lighter transport trailer could be adapted to carry the detached wings.  A diorama perhaps?  Titled "Somewhere in the Black Forest".

Just saying.  Angel

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 5:56 PM

An interesting thought RealG. 

Maybe a modified Tamiya Famo and tank trailer, a couple of trucks and a launch platform in bits on another trailer, maybe the new one from Das Werk, with a load of soldiers looking at the aircraft on the trailer.

The Title?

Somewhere in the black forest German solders realise that someone high up has come unglued!

 

I would like more luft '46 kits in 1/32 or 1/35. The difference between the two scales is not really noticable and they would be fun builds and certainly draw eyes in cabinets and give us the opportunity for some interesting camo schemes.

The Shinden I'm building at the moment is going to get a "Rising Sun '46" luftwaffe type splinter pattern using Japanese colours. Something different to the prototype upper Green, Lower light grey. Time we had some fun in larger scales!

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 09, 2019 3:11 PM

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by Real G on Friday, May 31, 2019 8:32 AM

Aaaaaand...  It’s out!

https://hobbyterra.com/product/1-35-model-kit-focke-wulf-triebfl-gel-interceptor-miniart-40002.html

I have two headed my way.  So excited!

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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 31, 2019 11:49 AM

Nice, lok forward to seng you build them. I'll add it to my wish list but will be a while before i get one.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, May 31, 2019 1:19 PM

On my list too. I am just waiting to see if my usual suspects gets them in!

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Posted by Real G on Friday, May 31, 2019 3:04 PM

Surface detail looks to be outstanding, cockpit detail is kind of meh.  But that should be easy enough to fix.  I wonder if we’ll see some pilot figs from the aftermarket.  Aires makes seated 1/35 midget sub crew figs, so there is hope.

Okay, THIS kit should dispell my modeling funk, as it is so simple!

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, May 31, 2019 7:09 PM

Don't jump right in. Just hang on and see what the AM market has to offer. I've not much to do on the Shinden now and then it's the Lancaster.

Look at Vallejo's Luftwaffe paint sets. They'll provide you with the best colours for this thing, and as it is a what if bird then using those colours you can go a bit off book as I have done with the Shinden. Stayed with the correct colours but..... done something different. Maybe a RLM70/74 hard edge splinter camo with an RLM 78 or 65 lower surface.

It does say "What if series" on the box, I wonder what else they have in mind. 

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Posted by Tom Hering on Saturday, June 01, 2019 5:56 AM

"A little more persistence, a little more effort, and what seemed hopeless failure may turn to glorious success" - Elbert Hubbard

"Perfect is the enemy of good" - attributed to Voltaire

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Posted by fotofrank on Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:29 AM

Did you ever wonder what would happen to the pilot if he had to bail out of the aircraft?

OK. On the bench:

Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:25 AM

Well, the Germans love engineering, so it would probably have to be equipped with explosive bolts to shed the wings prior to ejection.  The Do-335 Pfeil had such a system to remove the rear prop and upper fin.

I only now realize the kit has no ejection seat.  That’s #1 on the mod list for me.

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Posted by Real G on Monday, June 17, 2019 1:23 PM

Ooh, the kit is winging its way here right now, ETA this Thursday!  Super excited!  I noticed Sprue Brothers are also showing them in stock.

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Posted by Real G on Monday, June 24, 2019 1:14 PM

So Miniart's 1/35 Triebflugel kit is here!

https://flic.kr/p/2giqjEQ] [/url]Triebflugel-01 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

Lots of marking options, but very few service stencils i.e. octane triangles etc.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqsvz] [/url]Triebflugel-05 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2giqDtf] [/url]Triebflugel-02 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2giqspH] [/url]Triebflugel-03 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2giqLQ9] [/url]Triebflugel-04 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The last option is for an aircraft embarked on the (fictional) carrier Hermann Goering.  How the pilot would successfully complete a safe landing on a pitching, rolling deck is anyone's guess.  Speaking of fictional, there is a disclaimer on the instructions noting that all markings are spurrious - possibly to head off the flap Revell Germany caused when they reboxed Wave's Hannebu flying saucer.  Apparently, the German government feels that their children might be influenced into thinking that the (huh it seems the acronym for the German National Socialist Party is not acceptable on the forum?) actually developed flying saucers.  Okay there are people who drink that sort of Kool Aid, but really?

But the Triebflugel was an actual proposal that did get as far as scale model wind tunnel testing, so it is not as "Napkin-Waffe" as many might think.  And one simply has to look post-war at the several tail sitters that were actually built and flown (Convair Pogo, Lockheed Salmon, Ryan X-13, SNECMA C.450 Coleoptere) to see that it was a concept that was given serious consideration.  But all proved that landing was for all intents and purposes too dangerous for service use.

Back to the kit.

The kit has more parts than I expected, mostly for the cockpit and gun bays.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqSz5] [/url]Triebflugel-06 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

It seems over engineered, with a lot of parts which could potentially contribute to poor fit of the fuselage shell (and they do).  The long gun bay acccess panels are a little gappy, and the lower panels needed to be shortened a smidge to fall in place.  I used a home brew filler of Gunze Mr. Replenishing Fluid (used to rejuvinate old, thick paint) and automotive spot glazing putty (the kind that comes in a Costco-sized tube) to fill in the gaps from behind.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqxxX] [/url]Triebflugel-16 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

A leisurely Saturday was spent slapping parts together.

https://flic.kr/p/2gir5VT] [/url]Triebflugel-17 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The ramjet engine pods have parts to represent the fuel injector cascades, which is nice.  PE would allow finer representation of the grid, but placing all the injectors would be a pain.  I think I will need to make exhaust tubes, as the teardrop fairings on the engine pods are hollow.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqxGe] [/url]Triebflugel-14 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gir5Pa] [/url]Triebflugel-15 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

And some mystery parts are on the sprue!

https://flic.kr/p/2giqYPj] [/url]Triebflugel-11 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

It doesn't take much to figure out that Miniart was planning on featuring sychronized wing positioning, but gave up.  The gears would be challenging to securely cement to the wing pins without getting glue all over the bearing holes in the mid fuselage ring.  No mention is made of the unused parts.

The clear sprue also has an unused part - a dome.  Now this one has me stumped, as it is not the same shape as the nose cone (for centimetric radar?).

https://flic.kr/p/2giqkib] [/url]Triebglugel-07 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

And finally, here is Miniart's 1/35 kit next to Huma's ancient 1/72 version.

https://flic.kr/p/2gir64Z] [/url]Triebglugel-13 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

Amusing Hobby's 1/48 rendition should be along in a month or so, so what is needed now is a modern 1/72 kit.  And maybe Brengun will do one in 1/144.  Stick out tongue

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 24, 2019 1:51 PM

Absolutely fascinating kit, nicely done review. I've been fairly skeptical that it would have worked. There was no apparent counter-torque to keep the fuselage from starting to rotate along with the wing. Wouldn't take much because the fuse didn't contain the engine, but bearing drag would have had an effect. Getting fuel from the tanks in the fuse out to the ramjets would be quite an engineering challenge too. But a fascinating idea.

There's a well written article on Wiki about the swastika, worth a look.

I think nazi (plural only) is screened out here because it gets used in flame wars such as "rivet ***", that kind of thing.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 24, 2019 2:07 PM

Looks very nice, thanks for the review. Be interesting to know what the dome is for.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 24, 2019 2:20 PM

fotofrank

Did you ever wonder what would happen to the pilot if he had to bail out of the aircraft?

 

I know that the Pfeil had a charge to blow off it's own tail in that case.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, June 24, 2019 3:07 PM

Hey thanks for showing us around the kit G! Looks pretty nice!!! 

Now I want to do a dogfight diorama between one and a XFY-1 Pogo! 

 

I agree with Bill, the engineering of this is such it just wouldn't work or if it did not very well. But it's so bat-guano insane you have to love it. Confused

 

PS: I think the extra clear dome is to mount the giant death ray... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, June 24, 2019 3:22 PM

Never quite figured out how that machine worked!  What keeps the fuselage from rotating in the direction of the rotor with any friction in whatever the bearing arrangement is. Is the slipstream velocity enough that the rudder does it?  Seems to me when the thing is taking off and landing the ground boundary layer would negate flow over tail surfaces.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Real G on Monday, June 24, 2019 3:23 PM

The question of counter torque has come up many times while discussing the Triebflugel.  The significant force to be dealt with is bearing drag, since the wingtip jets do not introduce torque.  I figure that the cruciform tail‘s control surfaces could trim it out, since they were always in the prop (wing) wash.

The Brits got a big wingtip ramjet contraption to fly (the Rotodyne), so they figured a way to get fuel through the spinning hub.  Though what ingenious method they used is beyond me.

To me, the biggest obstacle would have been landing.  The pilot of the Convair Pogo noted it was impossible to estimate rate of descent or drift while landing.  The seat tilted forward a bit to give the pilot a better view while in VTOL but it was not enough.

The second would be a bail out.  The fuel system would have to be shut off first, the wings jettisoned, THEN the canopy could be discarded.  Assuming the crippled plane didn’t start tumbling or disintegrating, only then the pilot could leave via an ejection seat or a brave jump.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 24, 2019 3:41 PM

I have a very good friend who was Naval Academy Grad, active service aviator on CVN-65 and later a test pilot.

Flew the F-14, F-18 among others.

Told me that the only aircraft that really terrified him was the Osprey.

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Posted by Real G on Monday, June 24, 2019 4:28 PM

Now imagine landing an Osprey while lying on your back, flying backwards blind, and having to touch down in a clearing in a forest, while Allied jabos swarm around you like flies at a picnic!

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Posted by Real G on Monday, June 24, 2019 5:40 PM

The look forward might not be any less frightening, at least with the kit's windscreen.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqEr8] [/url]Triebflugel-10 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The central panel just curves along with the side panels, with no evidence of any bullet-resistant glass.  I'm getting picky here, but this is one of my favorite 1946 aircraft designs.  Huma's kit featured a flat central panel.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqLDi] [/url]Triebflugel-12 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The Me-163B Komet had a curved unarmored one piece canopy, but it also had a 3" thick laminated glass panel sitting on the coaming.  Maybe I'll go cheap and crib the He-219's folding armor plate idea.

Another thing I want to change is to put in an ejector seat.  Since I have no spare seats lying around, I'll scratch one using either a He-219 or He-162 kit as reference.  The scale difference might also be a problem if I get a resin seat (it's about 9%).

The kit comes with PE belts, but I have been spoiled with HGW's fabric renditions.

https://flic.kr/p/2giqydm] [/url]Triebflugel-09 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:53 PM

Saw one of these in the flesh tonight. One of the guys in our club who mainly builds large scale brought his in for me to see, don't know why he thinks i would be interested Big Smile

The surface detail on that is amazing, the rivets on the rotationg wings and the detail on the fuselage really caught my eye. Its just got froma want one to a must have one.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

On the bench: Airfix 1/600 HMS Belfast/AMT Trade Federation Tank

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:12 PM

Bish

Its just got from a want one to a must have one. 

Yes.  I work for the devil; it’s what I do...  Devil

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:09 AM

Here's living proof the concept worked:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-911v7BHk

John

To see build logs of my models, go here: http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

  

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:15 AM

That's cool john!  

Thanks,

John

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