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Grumman TBM Avengers.
Posted by PatW on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 2:20 AM

I have just watched the Nat Geo channel on Sky where they talk about draining the Bermuda Triangle. They centre on Flight 19 on the 5th December 1945 out of Fort Lauderdale and that the flight of 5 planes disappeared soon afterwards. I've found various pictures on the net of the flight/planes and their markings. The problem I have is, as the pictures are in black and white, what is the aircraft colourway, black, dark blue?

From what research I have done this is a depiction of the flight with correct markings?

 

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Posted by Bronto on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:40 AM

The aircraft are in the standard overall ANA 623 gloss sea blue.  Also note that is not an actual photo, but a bad GCI picture.

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Posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:28 AM

It is probably overall gloss sea blue. Scale models of Flight 19 Avengers are shown in that color scheme.

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Posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:09 AM

Here's from Accurate Miniature

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Posted by PatW on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:47 AM

Thanks guys, for all the info! Ebay here in the UK have told that the kit is on it's way so I'll be able to look at starting it early next week!

I also found this today...

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 11:16 AM

Your second image there, and the AM drawing; look pretty good to me.

As pointed out, the first CG drawing has lots of problems. 

 

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Posted by PatW on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:02 PM

Thanks GMorrison for your input, yes I realise the first image wasn't up to scratch.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:40 PM

No it's pretty much there at say 90%. Little things- the tail number on your drawing and the AM drawing is "stencil", very typical of the period. And the national insignia on the sides of the fuselage is slanted.

One thing I'd ask the experts- was the Sea Blue all one finish, or are the topsides matte not gloss etc. I'll see what I can dig up, but I don't have any books about the Avenger.

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Posted by PatW on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:17 PM

Having started this search since seeing the TV programme just yesterday, others tell me it's a Sea Blue Gloss finish but that looks to be semi gloss or matte finish. But still searching.

One thing I've found is that the colour is difficult to get here in the UK. One online supplier has it in a spray can (that is my preferred way to paint) but only in a 16ml can! The standard size for spray cans here is 100ml! Would 16ml be enough do you think?

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:44 PM

Here is a link to the Flight 19 page on the NAS Ft Lauderdale Museum website. There is an aircrew group photo with one of the aircraft, which is likely one of the lost aircraft. It shows a well weathered overall Sea Blue. A semi gloss, or better yet satin finish would work. Remember that these were well used trainer aircraft. 

https://www.nasflmuseum.com/flight-19.html

 

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Posted by PatW on Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:15 AM

Thanks stikpusher for more info. I hope I measure up with this build as more info to help out!

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Posted by Josh_the_painter on Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:27 AM

Subscribed! Looking foward to your build. The story of Flight 19 was always a favourite of mine... did they have new information on where they ditched? or is it still up in the air (no pun) for sea or swamp?

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Posted by PatW on Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:10 AM

No Josh they had no further info of where they went or the flying boat that was sent out to look for them! But I don't know how old the programme was on Nat Geo.

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:14 AM

Pat, the Academy rebox of the Accurate Miniatures TBM was the first kit I built coming back in '13.

You may already be aware, but I've heard it referred to as the best 1/48th scale aircraft model kit ever.

I hope you enjoy building it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:09 AM

Greg

Pat, the Academy rebox of the Accurate Miniatures TBM was the first kit I built coming back in '13.

You may already be aware, but I've heard it referred to as the best 1/48th scale aircraft model kit ever.

I hope you enjoy building it.

 

Greg, the Academy kit shown above is Academy’s own 1/72 Avenger kit, not the 1/48 Accurate kit. I believe that Italeri currently has those molds.

 

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:23 AM

stikpusher
Greg, the Academy kit shown above is Academy’s own 1/72 Avenger kit, not the 1/48 Accurate kit. I believe that Italeri currently has those molds.

Oops, I wondered why the box art was different.

Thanks for the clarification, Stik. And sorry for the confusion, Pat.

-Greg

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Posted by richs26 on Thursday, October 3, 2019 10:32 AM

stikpusher

 

 
Greg

Pat, the Academy rebox of the Accurate Miniatures TBM was the first kit I built coming back in '13.

You may already be aware, but I've heard it referred to as the best 1/48th scale aircraft model kit ever.

I hope you enjoy building it.

 

 

 

Greg, the Academy kit shown above is Academy’s own 1/72 Avenger kit, not the 1/48 Accurate kit. I believe that Italeri currently has those molds.

 

Actually Academy has been repopping the AM molds.  Italeri repopped a TBF in 2005, but Academy has repopped it since 2012.

https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=144509&p=timeline 

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 3, 2019 10:43 AM

PatW

Having started this search since seeing the TV programme just yesterday, others tell me it's a Sea Blue Gloss finish but that looks to be semi gloss or matte finish. But still searching. 

My only question, and it's splitting hairs but I'm curious:

In the tri-color scheme the Grumman color diagrams show that the top surface of the aircraft fuselage is "non-specular", i.e. matte Sea Blue as opposed to the rest of the top third, the wings etc. which are semi-gloss sea blue.

I just wondered if that were the case as well in the overall Sea Blue scheme. I can't find that Grumman diagram.

 

Bill

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, October 3, 2019 11:31 AM

I've got to be 'that guy' and suggest you toss a flying saucer model in there too... Alien

The nice thing is you can paint it anyway you want. 

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Posted by PatW on Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:18 PM

Thanks for more info guys.

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Posted by PatW on Monday, October 14, 2019 4:10 PM

I don't know Bill, there's very little info/photo's anywhere as far as I can see.

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Posted by philo426 on Monday, October 14, 2019 4:47 PM

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Posted by PatW on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:15 AM

Thanks for the photo philo426, would that be the large scale version?

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:04 AM

I might have a go at Trumpeter's 1/32 version(s) in the next year.

I would advise to go with Vallejo's Matt versions of the Navy/Marine Corps aircraft rather than the gloss colours as the sea air etc would weather the gloss paint to a Matt pretty quickly.

Rather than decals, you could use masks to do much of the insignia and numbers painting or if they do a set, HGW's wet transfer sets.

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 AM

1/48

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Posted by PatW on Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:38 PM

Finished today.................

The USAF logo's from the kit, all others from my decal spares.

 

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:43 PM

Nice job!

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Posted by PatW on Thursday, October 17, 2019 4:15 PM

Cheers philo426. One comment on another site was that it isn't a TBM but a TBF, only because I couldn't find a TBM kit.

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Posted by PFJN on Thursday, October 17, 2019 6:47 PM

Hi, that turned out really nice

1st Group Build

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, October 17, 2019 6:49 PM

Looking great!Like the old school.flight stand!

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