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BUN numbers
Posted by jimz66 on Monday, April 14, 2003 7:33 AM
Hey guys this forum keeps getting better and better and better. Thanks to all who responded to my F-14 sets of questions. Now I have a new question.

Can someone explain to me how BUN number work? I used to think that the number included the year, ie if an Air Force plane had 77 789 as a tail number, I thought it ment it was the 789th plane the Air Force procured in 1977. Till I started to see numbers of planes that weren't made at certain times I believed that to be true. How does it work in the Air Force, Army, Marines and Navy?

Can someone explain that?

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Posted by berny13 on Monday, April 14, 2003 8:05 AM
Air Force SN 77-789, 77 is the physical year the contract was let to procure the aircraft. The numbers 789 is the seven hundred and eighty ninth produced that physical year from the numbers ordered from that manufacturer. When the AF orders Acft they will assign numbers to a specific manufacturer to cover the number ordered.

Navy and Marine acft go by BN. BN 167890 is the one hundred sixty seven thousand, eight hundred and ninety acft ordered by the navy. I don't know when they started using BN's. They also assign numbers to the manufacturer when ordering acft. I don't know how the Army does it.

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Posted by eaglecentral on Monday, April 14, 2003 8:24 AM
I sent you an e-mail with the following info, hope you get it:

US Navy and US Marine Corps Aircraft Serial Numbers and Bureau Numbers--1911 to Present

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The United States Navy acquired its first aircraft in 1911, a Curtiss Triad pusher floatplane. Originally, the US Navy assigned serial numbers to its airplanes sequentially by manufacturer, a separate sequence of numbers for each manufacturer. The serial number had two parts. The first part was a letter which designated the manufacturer-- A for Curtiss, B for Wright, etc. The letter was followed by a number to show the sequence of procurement from each manufacturer. For example, the first Curtiss-built Navy airplane was serialed A-1, the second A-2, etc.

The system had to be quickly adapted to accommodate different types of airplanes obtained from the same manufacturer--Curtiss had to be given another letter, C, to distinguish its flying boats from its pontoon seaplanes, the letter D was assigned to Burgess and Curtis (no relation), and E was assigned to Curtiss amphibians.

In March of 1914, this manufacturer-based designation system was abandoned and was replaced by a two-letter type and subtype classification scheme. The first letter was the type or class--A stood for Heavier Than Air, B for Free Balloon, C for Dirigible, and D for Kite Balloon. A second letter was used to designate the subtype--for example AH was a hydro airplane, AB was a flying boat, and AX was an amphibian. All of the surviving aircraft acquired under the original scheme were redesignated and reserialed. A separate sequence of serials was assigned to each type/subtype classification.

In May of 1917, at the time of US entry into WW 1, this was changed to a sequential numerical list, irrespective of type. For some reason, the number 51 was taken as a convenient starting point. The old prefix letters were retained for a short time, but no longer had any relationship to the serial numbers. On May 19, 1917, the prefix letters were officially abandoned and replaced by the single letter A for Aeroplane. These numbers were initially termed "building numbers", but were later termed "designating numbers". In later years, they came to be known as Bureau Numbers (BuNos), since they were assigned by the Navy's Bureau of Aeronautics after that organization was established in 1921. The A-prefix was deleted from the numbers at the end of Fiscal Year 1930 (after OJ2, A-9204).

The original sequence reached 9999 in 1935, and rather than expand the serial number to five digits, a new sequence of numbers was started at 0001. This is the so-called second series of Bureau Numbers.

In 1940, so many aircraft were being ordered as a result of President Franklin Roosevelt's rearmament program that it was found necessary to terminate the second series at 7303 in order to avoid confusion with aircraft having late numbers in the original series that were still in service. A third (and final) series of Bureau Numbers was started with 00001 (using 5 digits from the beginning). When the third series reached 99999 in 1945, it was allowed to continue into six digits. This series of numbers continues in the present day. It has now reached over 165000.

Marine Corps aircraft are procured by the Navy, so they use Navy Bureau Numbers, but the Coast Guard is a part of the US Department of Transportation (during peacetime) and uses its own serial number sequence.

A Bureau Number is assigned to an aircraft when it is initially ordered, not when it is actually delivered to the Navy. The total number of serial numbers assigned (by now over 165000) does not reflect the actual number of aircraft delivered, because of large-scale contract cancellations at the end of World War II and other program changes in recent years.

Not every assigned bureau number necessarily indicates an actual aircraft in Navy service, because program cancellations often took place before actual delivery. In the pre-war years, assigned bureau numbers that were cancelled before delivery were not reassigned, although this was quite often done with late World War II numbers. There are occasional situations in which a bureau number batch was successively allocated to two or even three separate aircraft orders, only to have them all cancelled before delivery.

There are several major exceptions in the assignment of numbers in the six digit numbering system. In the 1960s, there were a block of six-digit numbers beginning with 00 that were assigned to an antisubmarine drone helicopter known as QH-50C and QH-50D. The reason for this odd system seems to have been lost in history. Another major exception is a set of non-sequential numbers beginning with 198003 and ranging up to 999794. These numbers were usually assigned to aircraft that came to the Navy from the Air Force, the Army, or even from foreign organizations. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to these assignments--in many cases they were derived by modifying the Air Force aircraft numbering system. In other cases, they were constructed out of manufacturer's construction numbers. For example, the Marine Corps F-21As that were leased from Israel in 1987 for dissimilar air combat training were given bureau numbers derived from the aircraft's three-digit construction number prefixed by 999.

Production Blocks
In the immediate postwar years, like the USAF, the US Navy/Marine Corps often used a production block system to keep track of minor production line changes that were not deemed sufficiently drastic as to call for a new aircraft configuration sequence number. This system continued after the adoption of the unified designation system in 1962. Just like the Air Force, the Navy/Marine Corps did not use production block designations for all of their aircraft, and there was considerable variation in the systems used from one aircraft type to another.

Block Numbers normally progressed in increments of 5 starting with -1, then -5, -10 and so on. Intermediate numbers were reserved to denote field modifications carried out after the aircraft's delivery, although the use of these seems to be exclusive to the USAF, and there is no known record of any USN aircraft having such intermediate numbers. Exceptions to the 'plus 5' rule of progression were fairly frequent, the prime examples being the McDonnell Banshee, Demon, and Phantom and the LTV Corsair II, whose Block Numbers progressed in single increments -1. -2, -3 and so on.

In addition to Block Numbers. the Navy also often used Block Letters to denote different production standards. although these don't seem to be related to any USAF-style designation. . There were various letter styles and combination of letters that were used. The differing styles appear to have no particular significance and probably existed because of the lack of any firm USN directive on the subject. Sometimes the sequence started with the letter 'A' or 'a", with the first change in production standard being denoted by 'B', then 'C', etc, until 'Z' was reached. If letters beyond 'Z' were required, it sometimes happened that the letters are started over from 'A', but on other occasions the next change was denoted by 'AA' to 'ZZ' . In order to avoid confusion with the number zero, the letter 'O' is skipped.

In the Navy, these Block Letters or Numbers were affixed to the Bureau Number rather than being attached to the official designation as was the practice in the USAF. However, unlike in the USAF, the Block Letter or Number was most often used strictly on official records and was very rarely painted on the aircraft itself. When the Block Letters or Numbers do appear on the aircraft, they usually appear as a suffix to the the full six-figure BuNo that appears either on the rear fuselage or fin, with the letter or number appearing in smaller characters than the BuNo itself.

Modex Letters and Side Numbers
In the immediate postwar years, a scheme was adopted in which the designation and the BuNo of the aircraft were painted in very small letters on the rear fuselage. Since this number is seldom readily visible at any distance on most Navy and Marine Corps aircraft, the last four numbers of the BuNo were often painted in large characters on the fuselage sides or on the vertical tail, but there were occasions in which the entire BuNo was replicated. This number became known as the modex.

There is some controversy as to the origin of the name "modex". One possibility seems to be as follows. When naval aircraft fly in their own controlled areas, they are identified by their "Call Sign" -Nutgrass 122, Tigertail 012, Black Eagle 601, Lima Whiskey 05, etc. However, in civilian-controlled airspace these call signs mean little and don't meet Air Traffic Control Standards. So, instead, these naval aircraft are identified by NAVY (or MARINE) and the last four digits of the BuNo. Also the transponder identifies (or "Squaks) the aircraft on the Radar screen the same way. Since there are various "Modes" that the Air Traffic Control System uses, we get the name MODEX, plus the last four digits of the BuNo.

In addition, most Navy and Marine Corps aircraft are identified in squadron service and for maintenance purposes by something known as a side number or side letter. The side number is painted on the nose of each aircraft. I am not sure how the side numbers are derived--I have seen one-digit, two-digit, and three-digit displays, but never more than three. The side number sometimes consists of the last three digits of the BuNo, but on other occasions it has nothing to do with the BuNo--each Wing seems to have its own set of numbers and numbering schemes, and their is considerable variation in side number format from one aircraft type to another. In addition, there is a color coding scheme associated with the numbers.

According to one of my sources, the digits in the side numbers beyond the first one are in octal format (the digits going from 1 to 7, then from 10 to 17, 20 to 27, etc), with digits 8 or 9 never being used. This was supposedly done because maintenance actions were originally recorded on punched cards and had to be processed through IBM electronic accounting machines and early IBM 1401 computers, which could only handle octal numbers. Curiously, the side numbers remain in octal format to this day even though computer systems have since been upgraded many times. However, I have seen side numbers beyond the first digit that do indeed have an 8 or a 9, so this restriction must not have been universal.

The following is the side number scheme for carrier air wings. Generally, the first digit identifies the type of aircraft, and the remaining 2 digits represent the individual aircraft within a particular wing. Carrier-based fighter squadrons typically have three-digit side numbers 1XX or 2XX (both sets of numbers are used if there are two fighter squadrons in the carrier wing). Numbers beginning with 1 are colored red and those beginning with 2 are colored yellow. Usually, the squadron CO's plane is numbered 101 or 201, the executive officer's plane 102 or 202, and subsequent planes numbered in order of pilot seniority. Sometimes, 100 or 200 is used to represent the CAG's (Commander of Air Group) plane, if there is one. I even have heard of a side number of 000, which was supposedly applied to the Admiral's plane. Light attack aircraft have numbers begin with 3 (light green) or 4 (medium blue). Heavy attack aircraft have numbers beginning with 5 which are colored dark green. Fixed wing aircraft belonging to VAW squadrons have numbers 60X that are painted maroon, although they are fairly rarely used. VAQ squadrons use numbers 61X which are painted dark blue in color. VS squadrons use numbers 62X and 63X, with a light blue or dark red color. Helicopter squadrons use numbers 70X or 71X, with a green color. I believe that 3xx, 8xx, and 9xx are reserved for Fleet Replenishment Groups (RAGs), but I need to get confirmation on this.

For example, all F-14 squadron carry either 1XX (and also 2XX if there are 2 F-14 squadrons in one air wing). The XX begins at 01 and increases from there. In some cases, the last 2 digits of this number are also painted on the tail and wings of each aircraft, as well as on the upper trailing edges of the flaps. This helps flight deck personnel on aircraft carriers in identifying different planes on the deck, especially when they are packed close together.

Marine aircraft normally use two-digit side numbers unless they are assigned to a carrier, in which case they adopt a three-digit code as listed above.

Land-based Navy aircraft also use side numbers, but these are usually the last three digits of the BuNo. Less predictable were the side numbers assigned to Test Center, Air Station, and ship aircraft. However, ship aircraft usually have side numbers that are the ship's hull number. For example, when the carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67) had a C-1 assigned to it, the aircraft had "67" as the side number.

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has any additions or corrections to these modex and side numbers.

The Boneyards
The ultimate end for many Navy aircraft and helicopters once they leave active service is the boneyards in Arizona. The dry climate and the alkali soil of the region makes it ideal for open storage and preservation of aircraft. At the end of World War 2, many surplus Navy aircraft were stored at NAS Litchfield Park, about 30 miles west of Phoenix Arizona. After 1967, this facility was closed and the Navy shifted the operation to Davis-Monthan AFB near Tucson, Arizona. Excess DoD and Coast Guard aircraft are stored there after they are removed from service. Sometimes the aircraft are actually returned to active service, either as remotely-controlled drones or sold to friendly foreign governments, but most often they are scavenged for spare parts to keep other aircraft flying or are scrapped. Initially known as the Military Aircraft Storage and Disposal Center (MASDC), the name was changed in October of 1985 to the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (AMARC). If I know of the date at which an aircraft was transferred to MASDC/AMARC, I list it here.



There are a lot of people who want to know about the operational history or ultimate disposition of a particular aircraft referred to in this database, but about which I have little or no information. If you have a specific question about the history of a particular Navy aircraft, you might try the Naval Historical Center which is located in Washington, DC. They have cards on virtually every aircraft ever owned or operated by the Navy, and they might be able to answer your question fairly quickly. However, you are always welcome to e-mail me in any case and I will see if I can dig up something.



The following is a list of serial numbers and bureau numbers for US Navy and US Marine Corps aircraft from 1917 onward. It is incomplete, with numerous gaps. If I know the disposition of a particular aircraft, or if the aircraft has some special historical significance, this information is listed here too. Enjoy yourself browsing through these lists--there are lots of neat historical interludes provided here. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has additions or corrections to these lists.



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First Alphanumeric Series (1911-1914)
First Alphanumeric Series Last revised April 15, 2001



Second Alphanumeric Series (1914-1917)
Second Alphanumeric Series Last revised July 6, 2001



First Bureau Number Series (1917-1935)
A51 to A5999 Last revised March 12, 2003
A6000 to 9999 Last revised March 22, 2003



Second Bureau Number Series (1935-1940)
0001 to 5029 Last revised February 27, 2003
5030 to 7303 Last revised December 14, 2002


Third Bureau Number Series (1940-present)
00001 to 10316 Last revised March 12, 2003
10317 to 21191 Last revised March 12, 2003
21192 to 30146 Last revised March 22, 2003
30147 to 39998 Last revised March 22, 2003
39999 to 50359 Last revised March 22, 2003
50360 to 60009 Last revised March 22, 2003
60010 to 70187 Last revised April 4, 2003
70188 to 80258 Last revised March 16, 2003
80259 to 90019 Last revised April 4, 2003
90020 to 99860 Last revised March 22, 2003
99861 to 111748 Last revised December 1, 2002
111749 to 120340 Last revised March 22, 2003
120341 to 126256 Last revised April 6, 2003
126257 to 130264 Last revised April 6, 2003
130265 to 135773 Last revised February 27, 2003
135774 to 140052 Last revised March 16, 2003
140053 to 145061 Last revised April 5, 2003
145062 to 150138 Last revised April 4, 2003
150139 to 156169 Last revised March 30, 2003
156170 to 160006 Last revised April 4, 2003
160007 to 163049 Last revised April 4, 2003
163050 to 164195 Last revised April 4, 2003
164196 to ?????? Last revised April 4, 2003



Click here to go to the list of USAAS/USAAC/USAAF/USAF aircraft serial numbers.



List of Abbreviations and Acronyms


AB: Air Base

AMARC: Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center

AF: Air Force

AFB: Air Force Base

ANG: Air National Guard

AP: Airport

BG: Bombardment Group

BS: Bombardment Squadron

C/N: Construction Number

FMS: Foreign Military Sales

FY: Fiscal Year

KIA: Killed In Action

MAP: Military Assistance Program

MASDC: Military Aircraft Storage and Disposal Center

MIA: Missing In Action

NACA: National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics

NAS: Naval Air Station

NASA: National Aeronautics and Space Administration

NASM: National Air and Space Museum

PLAAF: People's Liberation Army Air Force

RAAF: Royal Australian Air Force

RAF: Royal Air Force

RCAF: Royal Canadian Air Force

RNZAF: Royal New Zealand Air Force

ROCAF: Republic of China Air Force

SE: SouthEast

SOC: Struck Off Charge

SVN: South VietNam

USAAC: United States Army Air Corps

USAAC: United States Army Air Forces

USAF: United States Air Force

VIP: Very Important Person

W/O: Written Off

WFU: Withdrawn From Use

WPAFB: Wright Patterson Air Force Base




References

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Monday, April 14, 2003 10:46 PM
Uh, BUTZ? Were you saying something to ME about writing a novel?

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