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1/48 Monogram A-4E...opinions?

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LEG
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Posted by LEG on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:29 AM

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BTW, that old Monogram F-111 was originally an Aurora kit from a time when the F-111 was barely even on the line yet, and it has unfixable outline problems. It's pretty much a toy. Academy is, I'm told, the best bet for Aardvarks.

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Actually that's not true.  The Academy (and it's Zhengdefu offshoot at half the price and quality of molding) suffers a _lot_ of problems, ranging from a canopy that doesn't open to a cockpit which isn't even close, to various combinations of intakes (both in each kit) which are off in detail for a powered down jet, nozzles which don't reflect any particular TF30 model and a lack of appropriate ordnance for particularly the later model F-111F and FB-111A/F-111C/G.

 

It does not have an open weapons bay and the details (gun pack and muzzle, Pave Tack fairing, recce pallet, nuclear bomb stowage etc.) are simply not there.

 

The landing gear bay, which is astonishingly deep on the real jet, is very shallow on the Academy kit and it's impossible to ignore because the speed brake is part of the MLG door system, and remains partly deployed when the struts are extended.

 

And of course, it doesn't have dangling high lifts of any sort (to some, including me, this is a feature, not a bug).

 

The forward and aft fuselage segments don't fit and leave a spongey, quite noticeable seam behind the cockpit which is best braced with part of the variable sweep Y-bracket (right in the area a scratch built weapons bay would have to go) and things like the variable sweep/swing mechanisms are fragile to the point of unworkable.

 

Overall, the plastic used is pebbly and doesn't like cement unless it's rubbed down to open up the pores beforehand.

 

However; perhaps the kit's greatest flaw is that it's squat.  As in short of side elevation profile, by almost 1/8th of an inch.

 

Though you don't always pick up on it because of it's massive sprawl with the wings spread and everything drooped; the F-111 is also quite a tall airframe that rides high on it's gear when it isn't fueled and weaponed.  And this is particularly obvious when you are trying to do an F-111B conversion and the jet fits inside the profile outlines so that the entire, slab sided, area between the cockpit and intakes (including the LEX) is just too short.

 

Given the HBoss is a 90 dollar model that somehow manages to be worse than the 40 dollar Academy it's based on in several places (curved-in windscreen, nose profile etc.) we have yet to see a definitive F-111 kit and particularly an F-111B which was the prettiest of all the 'Varks.

 

If Revell wanted to split back into Revell-Monogram to compete again in TOOLING KITS instead of sitting on their laurels, they could easily redo the majority of their Vietnam and WWII era aircraft kits with similar, minimalist, parts count, recessed lines and no toy bits and wipe the floor with the competition which relies entirely too much upon CAD/CAM and no research with experts.

 

The F-111B and F-14/15/16 would be good places to start, provided they kept the prices in the 20-30 dollar range like they should be for younger modelers.

 

As an aside, the A-4 is a great kit but it is partly let down by a couple of factors:

 

1.  The canopy is squashed, even for an A-4E/F and nothing near the A-4M.  It's not as bad as on the ESCI but it is an issue.

 

2.  The tail fairing and the intakes have the wrong profile and the slats, which were wired up in the Mongoose and other Adversaries which are most popular, are very hard to fit correctly too the wing (usual issue of 'a bay' where there isn't one).  The same can be said of the speed brakes which were hardly ever opened, on the ground.

 

3.  The wing has some minor dings and sink marks (which can be corrected with sprue'n'glue and sanding) but this poses a MAJOR issue with rescribing around the raised vortice generators and access hatches.

 

4.  If you want to do some interesting Israeli versions of the E/H/N Ahit, there are some minor mods to antenna fit, guns and of course the later nozzle which are again, simply not present.

 

5.  The NLG strut is a literal weak link that doesn't want to stay squared with the fuselage.

 

Overall, the Monogram Scooter is every inch the worthwhile first model of an A-4, provided you do nothing to it as a basic OOB build.

 

But if you want to really bring it up to standard, it requires a lot of hard to source (now) resin parts, a good set of decals and some real patience with the scribing, wing root and a couple other areas.  You are talking enough time and money to make the recessed line Hasegawa or Hobbycraft (if you can find them) kits competitive, at least until you add A/M metal gear and cockpits to them as well.

 

Particularly if you are doing one of the earlier A-4B/C from the Falklands or Vietnam era, go with the Hobbycraft.  The detail isn't as sharp but it is recessed line which makes it easier to deal with.  Hasegawa with their typical 'once every blue moon A-4E and none of the other variants ever again' release schedule is up around 40 bucks by itself.

 

For the value and variant spread, the best A-4s kitted are the 72nd Fujimis.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:37 PM
i can understand that about the scratch being mistaken for another a/c, i've been told the same thing. curious though that it was still there. maybe it wasn't such a big deal then as it is now.....although i have seen several other navy craft with scratches...curious.

i would think that soft marine helmet would be almost be a danger, even if it is only the outside. The navy helemts arnt even designed for high stress loads, so i would think putting something soft on the outside would be more of a safety risk. prolly just the marines thinking that they gotta be macho lke they are. haha

academy is the only other one i know of who makes the f-111. sadly i dont think i've ever waisted $6 so quickly, or been so sorry for doing it. if i do decide to build it i'm not going to do a cammo scheme on that peice of junk, ill just do the standard grey, even if this is not technically correct.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:18 PM
As for the inside scratch, 'Sponder, we have some crew chiefs and techs on this site and they'll probably tell you that the maintenance of a clear canopy is taken very seriously on tactical a/c. Remember, a little scratch on the canopy can appear to be another aircraft in the distance if you're craning your neck around while looking into the sun and worrying about being shot out of the sky. I've told this before, but I had an ANG pilot once turn an F-4 up on its wing so hard when we broke off to enter the traffic pattern, and I was so not expecting this, that it wanged my head against the canopy so hard and so suddenly that a) I thought I had a concussion and a split helmet and b) it left a nice, though small, ding on the inside of the canopy, which had to be repaired with some kind of acrylic gunk, I was told, though I don't know for a fact that they fix canopy scratches the way we do. They are, however, though about a half-inch thick, I would guess, made out of pretty much the same material we make airplanes out of. I've also been told Marine pilots wear those soft helmet covers to keep from scratching up Harrier canopies, but Marines will tell you the camo helmet covers are to show solidarity with the grunts down in the mud. I'm guessing the former is closer to the truth.
BTW, that old Monogram F-111 was originally an Aurora kit from a time when the F-111 was barely even on the line yet, and it has unfixable outline problems. It's pretty much a toy. Academy is, I'm told, the best bet for Aardvarks.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:48 PM
I don't build many jets, but I agree the Monogram A4 is a nice kit for it's age. The red Marine decals are incorrect for an E as the real bird with those markings was an M.
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Posted by LionBaron on Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:37 PM
I built the monogram skyhawk 1977 last year , I have to agree the fit went well as did the decals , detail I thought looked good too , you should have a good time with this kit .
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Posted by Zone V Afterburner on Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:26 PM
Thanks Aerial,Off to E-bay I go!!Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:50 PM
ammustang - ebay had several oa-4m's for sale.


mobydick- he '77 model is pictured with red marines decals (vmat-102)

everyone needs to start getting this model (IMHO)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:41 PM
i know what you mean sharkskin, that padding is the hard part. one thing i noticed from this canopy was that the top of it, (inside i believe) was a little "cloudy" (only word i can think of, but basically a little scratched (believeing its because of being old/parts rubbing), but when i was on the Midway last week, a 1:1 canopy was scratched from the inside also, and was told it was because of the helmet of the pilot. realism????

from the same guy on ebay i also got the monogram f-111 for $6. i thought what the heck, why not at that price. so i open that one up (dated 1980) and its a load of crap. not a terrible model, but hardly worth me (imo) buying and even building. its a good learning model, thats it though.

firmly in my mind, the 1977 monogram A-4, is the best kit they ever built.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:11 AM
I would be a hypocrite to always criticise Revellogram. They brought me through my first 10 years of this hobby, and we wouldn't have had any century series jets in 1/48 until the year 2000 without them. And generally, their kits are priced reasonably. My big problem with that hobby giant is consistancy. When you open one of their kits you have no idea what level of quality you're going to find. It can range from the primitive to the sublime. As for that that A-4, I remember building the very one you're talking about. The detail, in a pre-computer-aided-design, pre-engraved panel lines world, is immaculate. It is evey bit a bargain at $13, and a steal at $5. I used a cast metal -and-PE Stencil seat by Aerwaves in mine, which dressed it up nicely. I'm sure there are better resin cockpits for that kit now. My biggest problem building A-4s is making the soft padding that lines the cockpit and some canopy rails look halfway like it's made of, well, padding.
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Posted by Zone V Afterburner on Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:03 AM
I built the Revell OA-4M/A-4M(?) A loooong while back....... I was too young to grasp the importance of accuracy,but I had alot of fun building it. Is this the same molding? I wish I could find that kit again...so that I could do it justice..... I thinkTongue [:P]Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:07 AM
I've bought a Revell/Monogram A-4 1/48 kit but haven't built it yet (not sure if it's the '77 version, though). I have opened the box & looked at the trees, & it seemed like a bargain to me at about $13.00. In general I was pleasantly suprised. I think there's too much anti Revellogram knee-jerk reaction on this site anyway. Yeah, I know, they're not the most detailed or best fitting kits out there, but their price is accesable to almost everyone. In therms of value for money they're at least in the middle of the pack, IMHO. Besides, if Joe thinks that the Revell 1/32 P-40 is the greatest kit ever made, then he must be right, right?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:08 AM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto]Sign - Ditto [#ditto]Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

ahhhhhhh.......the SkyHawk.....
my favourite.........

had 4 with every intention of building every one........
donated two.......
what's left will be a dio of one launching and one getting ready......

a lucky find aerial.......
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1/48 Monogram A-4E...opinions?
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:11 AM
just got this kit in the mail off ebay..........$5!!!! the 1977 version

anywho, the level of detail for this kit seems to be incredible. do anyone else agree? i would buy bundles of this kit if i could find them.

so far, dry fitting is perfect, and detail is where you (me at least) want it.

i think if revellogram were to bring this back, they would put the hasegawa a-4E out of buisness, SCREW PANAL LINES.
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