Back from the past?

Anonymous

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November 2005

Back from the past?

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 11:13 AM

Ok, here's one to think about on a rainy Monday.

You have the power to bring back from the past ONE piece of military equipment and put it into production. You can fix defects and add equipment. What do you pick and what do you add???

Example: An Me-262 with Twin M-61 Vulcan guns

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gregers

Member since
February 2003
From: UK

Posted by gregers on Monday, May 12, 2003 11:49 AM

This ones easy TSR2 what defects? tacan,loran,tiald,gps,gbu's winders ect.....Gregers

Why torture yourself when life will do it for you?

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 2:34 PM

Greg,

Now if we could just get that undercarriage to retract, we could call it an F111!

LMAO!

Rob M.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 9:33 PM

P-38 with GAU-2 20mm Vulcan, turboprop engines and Laminar Flow wings.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 11:42 PM

Bf-109G6/AS with 3xJumo004 and 1000rounds of MK-108 And 10xMK-108 gunpod and may have 2xJDAM range for 1500 miles 10cm ammored[how can it fly???]

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djmodels1999

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December 2002
From: United Kingdom / Belgium

Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:28 AM

The Valkyrie, for me, please!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:01 PM

I agree with DJ, I'd love to see a Valkerie at an airshow. But I've got to think if you built a new version (same airframe, modern weapons and electronics) the only plane that could survive today is the Phantom. I know some of you are saying, "but the Phantom is still in use." I know, I know. But I think it could still hold its own as an air superiority fighter with modern guts. It is one of those designs that only comes along once in a lifetime that is perfect. The a/c version of the Model T or the a/c version of Levi's if you prefer. It is the benchmark, a timeless classic, always in style.

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Woody

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December 2002
From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:43 PM

I agree with gregers! The TSR.2 is a great choice, but I think the CF-105 would be a good choice also. Modern avionics, a vulcan cannon and that plane would be taking care of business. Cool [8D]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:46 PM

Gotta be a tricked up Avro Vulcan.

Composites to reduce all up weight, thereby increasing range and payload, Glass cockpit MFDs, LINS/GPS, Mode 4 IFF (we really hate those blue on blue moments!) 20,000 lbs of PGMs or a couple of MOABs for offense, ASRAAMs and ALARMs for self defence, a decent ECM suite and some radar absorbent materials and paint (Yeah, black paint!).

I could be the British Dale Brown! LOL!

Rob M.

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rdxpress

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May 2003

Posted by rdxpress on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:48 PM

Hi All,
1st for nwilliams, your wish was granted about 10 yrs ago McAir along with
a company (I don't remember the name), Offered to reman F-4s w/new engines and avoinics but everyone wanted NEW stuff(F-15s,16 etc and they couldn't sell.
2nd for my choice Keep building F-14Ds and workup Es,Fs and Gs
Also I alays wondered what a P-38 would do with RR Merlins some smothing
of the airframe!!!!!!!
Good Hunting,
rdzpress

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:03 AM

B-58, with updated avionics, composite materials in the airframe and powered by F-110's!

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Woody

Member since
December 2002
From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:40 PM

How about a Ta-154 Moskito with counter rotating turbo props. With a pair of vulcans in the fuselage Cool [8D]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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berny13

Member since
February 2003
From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley

Posted by berny13 on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:38 PM

I also agree with nwilliams on the F-4. With up graded engines and radar, like the ISDF, it would be an un-beatable weapon system. With the retirement of the F-4G, it left the USAF with out a dedicated Wild Weasel acft. The F-16 just can't carry what the F-4 could carry. Sure, the F-16 can turn on a dime and give you nine cents change back, but the F-4 could shoot down a 16 before it could get in range to do any damage to the Phantom. For me it will always be Phantoms Phorever Phrom a Phormer Phantom Phixer.

Berny

Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale.

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale. F-4 Phantom Group Build.

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mostlyjets

Member since
March 2003
From: Poway, Ca.

Posted by mostlyjets on Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:36 AM

I would also vote for the Phantom. It was a fighter pilots fighter. Air, ground, defense suppression, photo, tanker, FAC, nukes. Lighten the airframe w/composites, re-engine, redo avionics(shoot Cuttler-Hammer). Ain't nothing like the Mach-2, bent-wing bug-sucker!

All out of Snakes and Nape, switching to guns...

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:46 AM

The Spruce Goose with an X-15 rocket plane attached under the wing! Awesome site - for a mile anyway.

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Ray Marotta

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December 2002
From: Lyons Colorado, USA

Posted by Ray Marotta on Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:55 AM

I'll go with the F-8 Crusader with upgraded avionics and engines.
In it's original state, it could go head to head with almost anything flying today.
With the upgrades, it'd be unbeatable.

When you're out of F-8's, you're out of fighters
Ray

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:58 AM

A-6E Intruder with composites, avionics, and all the new goodies! Oh, yeah, and add a 30mm ADEN gun pod to the right wing!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:48 PM

We just got done mentioning the F-4 in class. She was a good old bird, and can still do a lot. I would also like to see the Tomcat continue in fleet service. It can do some things that the F-18 simply can't.

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Keyworth

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January 2003
From: NE Georgia

Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 AM

The old Ch-47 Chinook in it's "Guns-A-Go-Go" configuration with 20 mm Vulcans, TOW missiles and 5-in. rockets with 'nails' (you old hands will know what I'm talking about!). - Ed

"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM

Got to go with Gregers on this one it has to be the TSR2. As for improvements, you can't inprove on perfection. If the Government (in its INFINATE(?) wisdom) had not been spineless enough to stand up to the US and continue trials the TSR2 would have still been flying today. Gulf War TSR2 anyone?......................wheres that Dynavecter kit gone................

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FITTER

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February 2003
From: USA

Posted by FITTER on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:42 PM

Too bad there isn't a kit of this one... 1:48 scale plans??

TSR2

FITTER

IBTL

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:25 AM

F7F with a 37mm cannon in the nose

Maybe an X-1 with sidewinder rails on the wingtips Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 8, 2003 9:18 AM

P-61 Black Widow
Twin Vulcans downstairs, Dual 25mm Chain guns on top.
Turboprops and external stores

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Woody

Member since
December 2002
From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Sunday, June 8, 2003 9:33 AM

Issah I can almost see your P-61 being as effective as a A-10! Can we replace the turboprops with jets? Tongue [:P]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 8, 2003 5:37 PM

I like the P-61 idea . How bout addin' the Vulcans' under the belly and slipstreamin' the fuselage a bit also? Oh, and with the versatility of an A-1 or Phantom when it comes to externals.

GO N.J.DEVILS!!!!!!! Evil [}:)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 8, 2003 6:27 PM

What, no one here feels love for the 'Truder?
INTRUDERS FOREVER!!

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caine

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April 2003
From: Littleton,CO

Posted by caine on Sunday, June 8, 2003 7:08 PM

I liked one I saw at the US Air Force Museum's experimental aircraft hangar... basicly a P-51 upgraded with a turboprop and modern weapon systems to act a close air support. I think they built in in the 80s. Kind of a replacement for the A-1 Skyraider.

http://www.shockwavephoto.com

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Woody

Member since
December 2002
From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Sunday, June 8, 2003 7:22 PM

Ah yes the Piper Enforcer. Was supposed to be a cheap ground attack aircraft but they couldn't interest anyone into buying it. I have the Ready Room kit, but have never built it. Smile [:)]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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