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C79/Ju52
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 11, 2003 1:48 AM
First of all thankyou Wayne Baker for your info.
I am still trying to find the coulou scheme of the above aircraft as operated by the 20th Carrier Squadron in 1942. Is there a site in the US that might be able to help? What were the markings carried by the USAAF at that time? And just to satisfy my curiosity who were the US fighting in South America in 41/42?
Thanks in advance Dai.
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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, July 11, 2003 11:13 AM
Dai
I'm not all that knowledgeable about the web, so I don't know of other sites. That was all I could get the first time. I don't believe we were fighting any revolutionarys at the time. Just protecting our interests in the Panama Canal and the region. Many South American countries decared war on the facists or stayed neutral.. I'll check another book for markings, but I'm on vacation next week and may not answer right away.

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Posted by wayne baker on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:07 PM
Dai
The disclaimer first. Still can't find any pictures. My references end Dec., 1941. All of this info is generic.

the Air Corps specified camoflage for all cargo a/c in Sept., 1940. Days later, the spec was issued for the colors to be OD 41 over Neutral Gray 43. the C-79 came on May 13, 1942 (3 years to the day before me). I'm guessing this would be your colors. 41 is a very dark green with a brownish tint. It fades to a brown. The sides of the a/c being flat, the gray would not come up the sides. Propellers and hubs were called out black.

Star in circle was the national marking, upper left and lower right wing. The size was to be 3/4 of the chord of the wing, maximum of 60 inches. It was centered front to back on the center of the chord. I'm not sure how far in. For the fuselage, it was centered between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the stabilizer. It could be moved if it would end up on a transparency. The height was 3/4 of the height of the fuselage, maximum of 48 inches.

The letters of the radio call sign were specified yellow. The width of a letter was 2/3 of the height. The distance between the letters was half the width of a letter. The brush stroke was 1 inch wide for every 6 inches tall. The call sign was on the fin in front of the rudder. If you don't have it, the C-79 serial was 42-52883, call sign 252883. I don't know what size the numbers would be. Something visible that fits the fin.

The interior color at this time was bronze green, #9. It's a guess as to whether they would have painted the interior or left it as it was. I don't know what the civil a/c were painted inside, but military was RLM 66 and maybe 02?

The a/c was given to the U. S. road service in Costa Rica in Dec., 1943 where it was called a TI-60. Hope this helps.

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Posted by dogsbody on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:33 PM
In Squadron's Junkers Ju-52 In Action, there is one small photo that shows the C-79 painted a dark colour (green?) on top, while the undersides are a quite light colour (gray?). The aircraft has been refitted with P&W R-1690 Hornets in modified DC-2 cowlings and the propellors look to be replacements too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:31 PM
Thankyou gents the information will be of great value.
Wayne, I hope you enjoyed your vacation.
Dogsbody, I have ordered the book from one of the bookshops in the village and should have it in a couple of weeks.
Thanks again
Dai.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:34 AM
Two excellant references for the C-79/Ju-52 are American Aviation Historical Society Vol 37 # 3 Fall 1992..An indepth article on the C79/Ju-52 in Sixth Air Force service in South America.And the best of all is the following book published by Turner Publishing Company (502)443-0121.Titled ALAE SUPRA CANALEM,Wings over the Canal,the Sixth Air Force and the Antilles Air Command,by Dan Hagedorn.Yeah I know its a long title,but this is a labor of love by the author and it covers the WW2 years in South America and the Air Force units stationed there.Excellant photos and personnal stories,shows O-47s,B-18s,and even 0-52s that were flown operationally,plus a lot of oddball and hand me down aircraft that were assigned to the Sixth AF.I highly recommend it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 28, 2003 1:02 AM
Once again thankyou. The information has been most helpful.
I am about to go to Port Stevens where my wife has to attend a Legal Bunfight and will leave me to my own devices. So what? The resort is not too far from RAAF Williamtown and Fighter World where I have obtained permission to photograph the following aircraft.
DH Vampire, Mirrage, Metior(that spelling seems wrong), and their MiG21. Anyone interested in some snaps?
TTFN Dai.
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