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F-102 people (Berny13)?:Missle Questions

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  • Member since
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  • From: Tobaccoville, NC
F-102 people (Berny13)?:Missle Questions
Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:43 PM
When the missles doors on the F-102's opened, could the rails stay retracted(all 6)? The Monogram kit has them with the front 3 extended and the rear 3 retracted. Is this correct?? I'm having a hard time finding photo's with the different configurations.

Steven
Steven
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Brooklyn
Posted by wibhi2 on Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:13 PM
It would make sence to have one or the other because of the rocket propellant for the missles.
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  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:11 PM
The missile launch rails can be displayed in any configeration. Through a selector valve in the left wheel well, the doors, fwd and aft launch rails can be extended. When loaded with live missiles the doors would be closed unless missiles are being up loaded or down loaded. If a WSEM (Weapons System Evaluation Missile) is loaded then the location it is loaded on will be extended. The misssile rails can only be extended or retracted by location, ie all three fwd or all three aft rails. It was not uncommon to see any three or even all six launch rails extended. Normal trigger salvo launch sequence is as follows. Doors open, aft rails extend, missiles fire, aft rails start retracting as fwd rails extend, missiles fire, fwd rails retract, door closes , all within four and a half seconds.

IR guided AIM-4 would only be loaded on the aft stations with the Radar guided on the fwd stations. A WSEM could be loaded on any station. If flown with a WSEM, ballast had to be loaded on selected launch rails to act as a counter weight for the missile. If an aircraft flew with no missiles ballast had to be loaded on select launch rails, depending on the weight and balance and CG of the aircraft.

If you have more than one kit, build one with all six extended and the other with all six retracted. That is what I did.

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Tobaccoville, NC
Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:57 PM
Thanks Berny!! I knew I could count on your expertise in this matter.
Very informative answer, I didn't know anything about the firing sequence. Makes sense though about the rear missles firing first . The kit has so much nice detail in there that I didn't want to close it all up. Thanks again, I really appreciate the assistance!
Steven
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:41 PM
You're welcome Steven. Isn't that why we are here? I do believe the site is full of people that can answer any question asked. I know, I have had several of mine answered. The one good thing about this hobby and this forum is the people. Most will go out of their way to assist anyone. A great bunch of people, that I have never met in person, but I can still call them my friend. Smile [:)]Smile [:)]Smile [:)]

Good luck on the F-102A.

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 11, 2003 3:11 PM
The only time I ever got to see an in-service F-102 was when I was stationed at Hanscom Field outside of Boston, Mass. A Guard bird was visiting from some other state (sorry, don't remember where) and it was in camouflage. This was probably 1971 or thereabouts. Anyway, I was a photographer for the base, and always kept my eye out for interesting aircraft on the transient ramp. So I walked out and started shooting pix of the Deuce, when the pilot started out from the ops building, carrying a small shipping box of live lobsters (that's pronounced "lowbstah" in New England), a tourist favorite up there. I'm thinking, "Now, where's he going to put that?" He climbs up in the cockpit (as I recall), calls out "clear aircraft," flips a switch, and WHOOSH, the pneumatically operated missile bay doors pop open. He climbs down and ties the lobst . . . oh sorry, lowbstah box to a missile rail (no missiles that day) and closes the doors. Off he went with his New England treat!
Big Smile [:D]
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    February 2003
  • From: Niagara Falls NY
Posted by Butz on Monday, August 11, 2003 3:17 PM
Too funny Paul..!!!!!!!! I wonder if the lowbstah had a fear of flying??Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]
Hey Berny,
Very well said my friend. Sometimes I enjoy helping others than I do building for myself. Well ok how bout tied for firstTongue [:P]Tongue [:P].
Flaps up, Mike

  If you would listen to everybody about the inaccuracies, most of the kits on your shelf would not have been built Too Close For Guns, Switching To Finger

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Monday, August 11, 2003 3:41 PM
Paul. Lets hope he didn't do a practice intercept on the way home. It would be raining lawbstah all over the country side. Big Smile [:D] Through the four and a half years I worked on the Deuce I must have seen just about everything carried in the missile bay. Also did you know the old beer cans are 2.75 inches in diameter and would fit into the 2.75 inch rocket tubes perfectly? They would be ice cold after a flight from Italy to Wheelus. Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Tobaccoville, NC
Posted by Silverbird01 on Monday, August 11, 2003 4:32 PM
Berny,
Sorry to keep bugging you about the Deuce. I have a couple of different questions.
Inside of the intakes are done. Came out beautiful! My question is what is the back-side of the intake splitter painted? The side between the intake and the fuselage. ADC Gray or natural metal? I know it is difficult to see but I want to do it right.
Finally just a question I have been curious about: What is the story/reason for the ADC gray or sometimes painted strip running vertically on the outside of the splitter plate?
I know these are strange questions and again I apologize. I'm just fascinated by the "Century Series" aircraft and I want to build them right!! My favorite is the F-105 followed by the F-100,F-101 and F-102,not in any particular order.
I hope you can answer my questions when you get a chance.

Thanks So Much!!!
Steven
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Monday, August 11, 2003 7:23 PM
Steven. The back side of the spliter plate was painted ADC gray. The leading edge of the spliter is made of stainless steel as is the lip of the intakes. The steel in the intake wrapped around to the rear part of the splitter plate. The center part that you see painted is made of aluminum. They were painted to prevent corrosion.

I am more than happy to help and I don't consider it as bugging me.

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Tobaccoville, NC
Posted by Silverbird01 on Monday, August 11, 2003 7:40 PM
Thanks Berny!!!
Steven
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Monday, August 11, 2003 8:43 PM
Steven. You are welcome again. Post some pictures so we can see what it looks like.

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

On the bench

TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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