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What does everyone think of Hasegawa?
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:37 AM
I've just returned to modelling after a break of about 8 years. Since then I've completed 3 and a half models - a Tamiya 1/48 Skyray, Hasegawa 1/48 A-4K and F-104G, and I'm half way through a Hasegawa 1/72 RF-4E.

What first struck me on opening the boxes was the impressive level of detail and the good, crisp moulding, although there was a bit less detail in the Tamiya kit. Having made them though I'm now seriously disillusioned with Hasegawa.

The F-104G had some nice detail and very nice surface detail - but I'm convinced some of it was too heavy (the sunk rivets are far too deep for the scale) and some of it can't be accurate (I may be wrong but I'm sure the F-104 doesn't have all those rivets on the upper surface of the wing). But parts of it didn't go together well.

The story's the same with the A-4, lots of nice detail but very poor fit in places - in particular the fit of the upper fuselage, and the wing root join wasn't great. The fin tip is a different thickness from the fin. It's the same with the wing root inserts where the gun barrels go. Same story with the RF-4E - on mine (and I've checked that I've put it together right) the cross sections of the forward and rear fuselage parts don't match where they meet. The wing design is illogical - the trailing edge is one piece but, instead of incorporating the whole of the underside of the flap in the upper part, it stops at mid-chord. And don't get me started on the lack of weapons! These kits are all expensive enough, to have to go and buy a weapons set as well is insulting.

On the other hand the Skyray was simpler, went together well and made up into a nice model. And the Hasegawa kits I remember fondly from before my 8 year break are the older, simpler kits of more interesting subjects, like the B-47, F-106, P-3 and Neptune. It's annoying that the kit designers now seem to concentrate on amazing us with detail, but deliver kits that don't go together quite as well as they should.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to stick to interesting subjects, I don't care how much detail is in the kit, I'll add my own if I need to. I'll get a lot more enjoyment and value out of a cheaper kit that I can detail or convert to my satisfaction than I will from an expensive, over-detailed Hasegawa kit that doesn't fit together as well as an equivalent Tamiya kit would and doesn't come with any stores. So my next few models will be from old favourites like the Revell Voodoo, Revell Shackleton and Airfix U-2 I've got lined up. I expect these kits to need more work than Hasegawa, and I've got a feeling I'm going to enjoy them more.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:00 AM
The only ones I build are 1/48 scale WW II aircraft. While I can't speak for the smaller scale, the ones I have built have not presented any problems that I can recall. The level of detail and fit suit my needs. I guess that finding the kits that fit your needs and desires is the most important thing.
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Posted by jimz66 on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:20 AM
Hasegawa is my favorite. I think they go together well. I love the detail. I don't like the prices they are high and agree that weapons should be included. However, the weapons kits add a taste of choices that you don't get without them. I have two of Hasegawa's weapons kits and have around ten models I am working on now all Hasegawa and most of those two weapons sets will be gone by the time I am through.


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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:40 AM
I love Hasegawa!
Mr. Hasegawa is a nice guy, too.
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:48 AM
ok, it must just be me then!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:08 AM
No, I don't think that it is "just you." It depends on your level of expectation and your desire for certain criteria. There are, no doubt, many modelers that have never built a kit that didn't require "correction." Does that mean they buy inferior kits ? No. It just means that the kit seems to lack what they want. It is because of such people that the quality and accuracy of kits have improved by leaps and bounds. I stopped modelling around 1971, and when I started again in 1993, I was amazed at the change in kits. Build what you like, like what you build !
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Posted by 72cuda on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:10 AM
I know that the older Hasegawa kits had loads of problems but the best thing about those kits where they are in the correct dimensions & sizes, some of the smaller scales the interior details are few & sparse but the exteriors are ausome, and for their 1/48 scales they too have problems I've built the new F-8 and compaired it to the old Monograms both are great kits but where one is lacking the other takes up for, the Hasegawa kit is however a better kit for it's scribed details and Monograms is raised details, but all in all Hasegawa's are one of the better kit manufactures like their sister corp Tamiya, but both corp's are working with Revell/Monogram on importing some of those great kits States side and in European markets(through R/G)

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:36 AM
72cuda has it right, some of the older Hasegawa molds have rather poor fit and detail. I recently built the Shinden and though the subject is interesting the fit and level of detail are hardly better than anything one would expect from an older Mongram/Revell kit. I wish kit manufacturers would put the date the kit was first issued on the box, or maybe they do and I just don't know where to look. Many of the older Hasegawa kits are just as expensive as the new ones with unremarkable fit and detail levels.

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:10 AM
I have to say that I've never really been disappointed with any Hasegawa kit I've bought - even with minor fit problems and slight inaccuracies on some of their kits, the molding quality and the fit tend to be far better than most other brands (in general).
I must admit I find I'm less concerned with big fit problems these days (as I've yet to be faced with a problem fit that can't be fixed with as much work and patience as it requires) but prefer to concentrate on the subject matter and the detailing. How much work does it take? How long is a piece of string?
It's far easier to make a great model if you start with a great kit - but the real challenge is to make a great model from a crappy kit............
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Posted by toadwbg on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:19 PM
I'm struggeling through my 1/48th Hasegawa F-14A right now. I beutifully detailed kit with lots of options, but downright bad on the fit! Things are going slow because of this- and the new baby in our house :)

I love the F-14 and what can be done with this kit, but I won't be doing another one for quite some time. My next kit will be an Accurate Miniatures TBM-3, hopefully that is a good change in pace.

"I love modeling- it keeps me in the cool, dark, and damp basement where I belong" Current Projects: 1/48th Hasegawa F-14D- 25% 1/48th Tamiya Spitfire- 25%
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Posted by cmtaylor on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:39 PM
And who else kits the X-29?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:43 PM
Hasegawa really dropped the ball with their Spitfire Mk IX kit. The fuselage is underscale and then they made the spinner way overscale to get it back to the proper overall dimensions. Built Straight Out Of the Box it looks almost comical. The details are overdone. I am sure that the people responsible for this kit have never seen a real Spitfire up close and personal. The mistakes, of course, carry over into the others in the series of "long Merlin" Spits that they have done (Mk VII, Mk VIII and all the others which are the same with different decals and box art...the usual cheap Hasegawa trick). They're MK IX decals are poorly researched. You would think that a first class outfit like Hasegawa would do better.

Cheers
Bob S.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:53 PM
toadwbg,
i also have the f14 kit had the same problems, especially with where the front fuselage/cockpit portion of the kit fits between the intakes. i was to the point of
putting decals on and the kit broke apart there. be sure to strengthen that area.
mine got stuffed back in the closet for the the past three years i was so aggrevated with it.
you should enjoy tbm kit, mine went together beutifully
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Posted by toadwbg on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:45 PM
dhaley

oh yeh man- you said it all right. I reinforced the hell out of that joint with added tabs and superglue. The thing is so strong now I could probably use it as a lawn dart :)

I'm at the stage of finishing up the body work (no small task), and am working ahead on painting and decaling the vertical tails/rudders. I'm using some Areomaster decals and unfortunately they are silvering! Auuuuggh!
"I love modeling- it keeps me in the cool, dark, and damp basement where I belong" Current Projects: 1/48th Hasegawa F-14D- 25% 1/48th Tamiya Spitfire- 25%
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:17 PM
It's unfair and inaccurate to rate a company based on their "older" kits.

Today, Hasegawa is on the same par as Tamiya.
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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:52 PM
Every company has highs and lows. I was liberated years ago when I decided to build by subject matter and not brand loyalty. If the only kit of the subject your interested in is a vac-BUILD IT! You'll walk away with new skills and bragging rights. Yes I think Hasegawa is a wonderful, but I remember when they were no better than Monogram(I like Monogram). If my kit selection was based on how easily a kit went together or the level of detail a kit had out of the box, I'd quit and find a new hobby with challanges.Evil [}:)]

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Posted by Keyworth on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:59 PM
I have to agree with Woody. Build what interests you. The kit you build today may or may not be a flawless build, but if it's not, well......build it anyway! :)
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:26 PM
I'm not talking about Hasegawa's older kits. The Spitfire Mk IX is relatively new.
I don't build according to manufacturer loyalty either. If a Spitfire comes out in 1/48th scale, I buy it and buid it. So far the best "long Merlin" Spitfire kit is the ICM and it isn't perfect, and it is a challenge to build compared to the Hasegawa attempt.
Cheers
Bob S.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:47 AM
I think that in terms of quality their kits are well above the average. I had a lot of fun back in the 80s building kits such as the F11F Tiger, the F9F Panther/Cougar, and a number of their Japanese aircraft kits. In today's world those kits would be considered 'inferior' because they lack some details and had raised panel lines... Their 1/72 AFV range is also very fondly remembered. Above all, it's their 1/200 airliner range that I like best: simple kits with superior fit allowing building/painting/decaling/weathering of major sub-assemblies prior to the final assembly. Their now defunct Egg-plane series is very much missed too.

However, I have not built any Hasegawa kits in a long time now. My interests have changed and their catalogue does not fit very much with that. One can easily get tired of yet another F-14..! Nowadays, Revell-Germany for instance proposes better AFVs and airliners... And cheaper.
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Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:41 AM
Well-- maybe it's just the Val model, but the decals that came with my kit were horrible!! I used Microset and sol and the meatballs wrinkled horribly....one even rolled up and dried like that when I left it overnight. As I said, maybe it was just that kit, but they aren't my favorite.
Mike
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:10 PM
The mojority of my kits are Hasegawa. I find that they aren't consistent. The detail on new kits is usually fantastic but each kit fits differently. Their 1/72 helcat with raised lines fits like a dream as does their new wildcat with beautiful recessed lines. However the 1/72 F-14 has fantastic detail but the fit is horrible. While I like Hasegawa in general, Tamiya is a solid step above in terms of detail and fit. Their 1/72 warbird (not the Italeri reboxes) collection has detail that you still often don't see in 1/32. So I guess in some respects it's all pot luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:11 PM
Hasegawa's usually okay, but much less consistent than Tamiya. I recently bought the 1/72 Mavis and Emily kits (I like flying boats) and was crushed to see that both kits were covered in fist -sized rivets. Ugh. I don't think my hobby shop has enough sandpaperSad [:(]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:41 PM
I've never run across a "Perfect Kit," but between Hasegawa and Tamiya, I've found enough accurate ones that I'm more than satisfied. If I want a SOTB build, I'll grab a Tamiya kit. If I want a bit of a challange, Hasegawa has never let me down. Yes, they may take a bit of correction, but they do build up quite nicely.

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