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  • Member since
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  • From: Lewisburg , Tenn
Posted by fuzzy on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:46 AM
No problem. Hope that helps with your project. E mail on the way and
let me know what or how much.
fuzzy
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Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:24 AM
Thanks fuzzy....

Email me your address and I'll send them out when I can....
Mike
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Posted by fuzzy on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:04 AM
Jeeves,
Evergreen styrene comes in sheets(different
thicknesses) and several different shapes (different thicknesses and widths). It's easy to cement and shape by sanding or filing . Some hobby shops carry it and model
railroad shops can get it from Walthers.
Don't know if it's plastic card or not but it's
great to work with. If you still have the decals I would be
interested in them.
Fuzzy
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:13 AM
OK...could someone at least tell me what plastic card is?? Wink [;)]Wink [;)]Wink [;)]

And I am not sureif anyone else has a Tuskegee project in mind-- but I have an extra set of the Three Guys decals for the Tuskegee Airmen in Italy if anyone is interested....I know merideth was doing a P-47, but these cover only a P-40, P-39, and the P-51s....
Mike
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by blackwolfscd

I added a fillet to a P-47, and though it was a long, tedious process it's really not too awful tuff to do.

This is how I'd do it:

Before assembling the fuselage halves, shave off a bit of each mating surface in the area where the fillet should be; just enuff so you can slide a suitable piece of plastic sheet/card in there. You can either shape it before or after you put it in, but I'd opt to wait a bit.

Once everything's glued together, build up the sides of the fillet with more card and fill any gaps with a filler that'll scribe/engrave well. My personal choice would be to fill in as much as possible with scraps of plastic and then use superglue for the rest. If you use superglue, wait until all the plastic you've glued has dried solid. Then use the CA and sand it within 5-10 minutes before it gets rock hard.

Repeat this as necessary and then sand it all smooth and to the proper shape. Then engrave your lines and you're all set.


Just revisited this post to see if I could piece together how I might do this blasted fillet and found that it was already kind of spelled out for me. But as a person who has worked strictly out of the box with no real heavy-duty scratchbuilding work-- this seems a bit daunting.

What I am mainly concerned with is this-- I think I can handle the initial sanding and fillet adding....and even possibly the buildup of more plastic... but when it comes to getting the filling in right and engraving the lines-- I think I might be over my head. How do you engrave accurate lines??

And before I even begin-- what's plastic sheet or plastic card and where would I get it?? Is this the same as sheet styrene??
Mike
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  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:14 PM
Tamiya makes a P51-B and an RAF Mustang III which is still a B but includes the Malcom Hood canopy. The only C model in 1/48 that has the fin fillet is the AM kit. The fit of the AM kit is good and the interior is better than Tamiya. If you can find the AM kit go with it, although adding the fillet to the Tamiya wouldn't be all that difficult.

Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Jeeves on Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:02 PM
Bump for blackwolfscd-- did you get my email, bro??
Mike
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Posted by Jeeves on Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:54 AM
Thanks fuzzy...

I got the book out yesterday and saw that. He is also listed in the picture on C-14 I believe....but the number of names listed under those "standing" does not match up with the men in the picture standing...so I am not sure which one is Col. Dart....guess I'll have to ask him.
Mike
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  • From: Lewisburg , Tenn
Posted by fuzzy on Friday, August 15, 2003 8:38 PM
Jeeves,
Oops,sorry about that .Blush [:I] It was late when I posted.
The information is in the first book . There are a few pictures
in it too. The Tally Ho decal sheet Jose' mentioned is available
from squadron.com their stock number kph148016 P-51B/C/D
Pt.1 .
fuzzy
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Friday, August 15, 2003 8:32 AM
Seems to be OOP.... :-( Either the Aeromaster or Three Guys decals would be perfect--anyone know where I can grab them from?
Mike
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:38 PM
Hmm... the 3 Guys one sounds good....who carries it here in the US??

blackwolf-- I hope the power outage didn't get you too bad...we did get hit here a bit. I am willing to take your advice on whether I should build the AM or Tamiya kit when you get back :)
Mike
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  • From: Cornebarrieu (near Blagnac), France
Posted by Torio on Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:32 PM
Hello
I know a Tally Ho decal sheet which encloses a P51c flown by Clarence "Lucky" LESTER ( 100 FS / 332 FG ) : sheet 48016; Tally Ho is a czech company : http://www.tallyho.cz ; I also know a Three Guy Replicas sheet " Tuskegee Airmen in Italy" with a P 40 L, a P 39 Q, two P 51 B or C, the first flown by Wendell Pruitt ( 302 FS / 332 FG), the other one by Ed Toppins ( 99 FS / 332 FG ), this latter with a checker on the nose, and two P 51 D, one flown by Charles White ( 301 FS / 332 FG ) and the other one by Robert Williams ( 100 FS / 332 FG ) . The five P 51 described here are natural metal, red tail and spinner and individual variations . Of the P 51 B/C all drawings show traditional canopy ( no Malcolm ) and no fin fillet ( but they only are drawings...) . Maybe there still another decal sheet produced but I'm not sure. Finally, I'm not willing to raise a polemic, but ICM and Tamiya parts mate each other, so you draw whichever conclusion you want.
Go on , Jeeves, do what you feel right to do about this man, and around the other vets you'll meet, even if they even don't know what a plane can be. They'll share a piece of their lives with you, their hopes, their fears, their dreams. Memory and nostalgy take part of our conscience. Let me tell you a little story. The last kill made by a Republican pilot on Spanish Civil War was made by José FALCO on a Me 109 while flying a I 15 ( or I 153 , I don' t remember) Mr FALCO lived in Toulouse, where I live. He built models, and his son too. I met them 20 years ago and he told me a part of his story, but at the time, apart the historical aspect of the story I had nothing to beat about Spanish Civil War ( and I am of Spanish origin, and my family got involved more or less in it ) I only watched jets . Now I'm a little older, I don't even know where the old chap has gone, and if he still lives, but I think I should search.
When nostalgy has gone you can hardly catch it back . Go on Jeeves, now.

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:49 AM
from photos I have seen ,the fin is similar to a -D tail with a -C fuselage and not just a fillet like the P47.
I think thast Tamiya also has a correct -C
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:18 AM
One sec....

I was just searching some sites and there was a listing at rollmodels.com for a P-51C for Tamiya....it was an Eduard Photo-Etch Detail kit...I wonder if this includes the fin fillet?? If so-- I am all for grabbing the Tamiya kit....anyone know more about this??
Mike
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Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:05 AM
blackwolfscd...

I just noticed your note about having dupes of the kits. How bad is the fit on the AM kit?? Looking over it's description at great models, it seems like the perfect kit for this project-- but if the fit is tricky, I don't want to mess it up and will go with the Tamiya kit after you give me the know-how to scratch build (which will be a first for me-- another reason for me to be nervous to mess it up...). Email me on what they are worth to you and I'll get back to you :)

An
Mike
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Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:10 AM
Again fuzzy... I gotta ask-- where did you find what you had-- in one of those books??

wibhi2-- I asked him about the movie...he said it was Hollywood's representation....'nuff said ;)
Mike
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Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:13 PM
Ya know, there was a movie about the tuskegee airmen. Plays on the history channel every once in a while.

Since I've enver watched the movie for accuracy, thry show both the jugs and stangs
they flew.
3d modelling is an option a true mental excercise in frusrtation
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  • From: Lewisburg , Tenn
Posted by fuzzy on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:04 PM
Jeeves,
I don't have any photographs but here are some books you might want to check out. Black Knights The Story of theTuskegee Airmen by Homan/Reilly , Pelican .
Tuskegee's Heroes Cooper & Cooper
Segregated Skies All Black Combat Squadrons
of WW2 Sandler
I saw a picture of a P-51D model for the Tuskegee
Airmen with checkers on the nose but there was no info on
squadron.
fuzzy
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:39 PM
Wow!! Can I ask where you got that info fuzzy?? There wouldn't happen to be any pics with that stuff would there??? He said he had lost everything he brought back with him in a fire at his mom's house. Please let me know where you got that stuff...I have been combing the net all night.....
Mike
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  • From: Lewisburg , Tenn
Posted by fuzzy on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:27 PM
Jeeves,
Seems like I saw an ad where AMtech was
going to release Tuskegee Airmen decals. Hope they do
them in 1/48th because I missed the sheets you're looking
for.
Here's some information that may be of interest.
Dart,Clarence W. Class# 43-J-SE
Date of Graduation 11/3/1943 Grade 2nd Lt.
SN O814826 Elmira,NY
Good luck on your mustang. Please post some
pictures when you're finished.
fuzzy
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Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:38 PM
In the war, he was a captain, but earned the rank of Lt. Col. following the war in the reserves. His name is Clarence Dart and he is originally from Elmira but now resides here in Saratoga. While I don't have his registration #, I know he named his planes "Tess's Torch Song" and that his fuselage codes were A-29. He also said that his nose had a blue and black checkerboard pattern, but I had never heard of this....wonder if I can get decals for that??
Mike
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  • From: Pominville, NY
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:32 PM
May I ask this fella's name? Also, the name of his ship, which squadron, etc?

I'll try and start this little project in the next week or so and post some photos.

By the way, I just noticed that you had asked if anyone had a kit. Whichever you decide to do, I have dupes of the AM & Tamiya kits, lemmee know if you need one.


Fade to Black...
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Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:26 PM
Sure blackwolf-- if you don't mind-- I really want this to be my best yet-- this guy gave me some great stories today!

fuzzy.... I haven't started looking for decals yet....but in January 2003 FSm on the inside back cover is a small write-up and in the references section, it listed decals- but they are OOP.

I am sure there are no decals out with his personal marking anyways-- so I am not sure what to do there....
Mike
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  • From: Pominville, NY
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:07 PM
I added a fillet to a P-47, and though it was a long, tedious process it's really not too awful tuff to do.

This is how I'd do it:

Before assembling the fuselage halves, shave off a bit of each mating surface in the area where the fillet should be; just enuff so you can slide a suitable piece of plastic sheet/card in there. You can either shape it before or after you put it in, but I'd opt to wait a bit.

Once everything's glued together, build up the sides of the fillet with more card and fill any gaps with a filler that'll scribe/engrave well. My personal choice would be to fill in as much as possible with scraps of plastic and then use superglue for the rest. If you use superglue, wait until all the plastic you've glued has dried solid. Then use the CA and sand it within 5-10 minutes before it gets rock hard.

Repeat this as necessary and then sand it all smooth and to the proper shape. Then engrave your lines and you're all set.

If you want a bit more detailed explanation and some photos, I'd be happy to help out. I've actually been thinking of doing this myself and this may be the excuse to get me crackin'!


Fade to Black...
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  • From: Lewisburg , Tenn
Posted by fuzzy on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:04 PM
Jeeves,
Perhaps you could make the fillet out of Evergreen
styrene and add it to the Tamiya P-51B. Does anyone make
Tuskegee Airmen decals or are you going to paint them?
fuzzy
  • Member since
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:31 PM
I am not a very good scratch-builder, but he did mention about the fin fillet- so I need to be sure it's there. I might just go with the AM kit, although I have always had fit problems with their kits!! It's nice to have lots of detail but not at the cost of trying to cram it all into the fuselage fittings..... what to do...what to do.... how would I make a fillet?
Mike
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  • From: Pominville, NY
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:22 PM
The 'B' did not have the fin fillet, only the 'C'. Not all 'C's had the fillet, though.

The AM 'B' and 'C' kits are identical except that the 'C' has the fillet. A few problems though, fit-wise. Building this one right now, just to see what it's like; not all that awful, just a few headaches here and there.

The ICM kit is a slightly inferior copy of the Tamiya kit. Unless $$$ is an issue, I'd pass over this one and get the original.

The Tamiya kit would be my first choice, it's far superior to other available options. Also building a couple of these at the moment. The only thing you'd have to do to make a 'C' is to add the fillet, if your particular subject had one.


Fade to Black...
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Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:37 PM
The Accurate Miniatures P-51C kit is pretty good. You can still turn one up from time to time.
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:25 PM
Oh sorry.... 1:48 scale is what I am used too, but bigger is good too LOL
Mike
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