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OT-Restored Enola Gay unveiled

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Posted by rangerj on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:20 PM
On Dec. 7, 1941 the Japanese did not awaken the sleeping tiger as Adm. Yamamoto predicted. They awakened a dragon. The Enola Gay delivered the dragon to Japan's door step. It took a second "dragon", delivered by Bock's Car, to get them to lay down their wepons.

In the time between Dec. 1941 and Aug 1945 milions of Chinese, Koreans, Philipinos, Burmese, Vietnamese (then French
Indo-China), South Pacific Islanders, and U.S., British, Austrailian, and many other Alies died trying to stop the brutal and deadly Japanese agression.

The Enola Gay is a fact of history, and like the U.S. Flag, it stands. For the guys and gals on Bataan, it stands. For the guys on Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Guam, Saipan, Wake, and a lot of other South Pacific Islands, it stands. For the guys of the Indianopolis, left in the shark infested waters after the ship was sunk by a Japanese submarine, it stands.

At the slightest wimper from any of one who would hide her again we must stand. If you bury your head in the sand you will get kicked in the $#*.

Ironically "Enola Gay" is Paul Tibbets' mother's name. She was by all accounts a God fearing, church going, kind and gentle woman, but could raise cane when necessary. Gen. Tibbets put the right name on the airplane! It stands.

Remember, "THEY" drew "first blood". rangerj
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  • From: Lafayette, LA
Posted by Melgyver on Monday, August 25, 2003 2:57 PM
I've been away from the computer a few weeks and just heard the Enola Gay was back in one piece. Great news! I usually put in a model display for the City Natural History Museum each summer for Aviation Week in Aug, but the past two years they have been in turmoil and finally moved to a better location. I had heard the new Director was from NASM and thought we had a good ally until I found out they were on the "committee" that butchered the Enola Gay and History! Bummer! Probably won't be able to have anything with "questionable" nose art in future exhibits if they ever start doing them again. We got some good modelers in our group from them seeing past exhibits. Also I have a copy of a picture of the Enola Gay a short while after the famous mission.

Clear Left!

Mel

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  • From: Niagara Falls NY
Posted by Butz on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:54 PM
Hey all,
I for one am glad to see her back!!
Another thing, that is our history, why hide it. There are a few select people that need everything to be PC.
Why cant they just leave things alone so our future generations can learn from the past events on how it got us to where we are today.
I know I could go on but I am just gonna sit back in awe and check out the 29.
Flaps up, Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:04 PM
All i can say is hot damn iam going to see her.

But i think they need to load her up and use her agian if u catch my driftBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:07 PM
Hey everyone,

For an interesting view into the original controversy, read "An Exhibit Denied" by Dr. Martin Harwit. Harwit was the director of NASM when they created the original Enola Gay exhibit. Its a very frustrating read. The exhibit was politicized from the beginning and Harwit is great at making excuses for why they did what they did, but is very short with apologies.

Its a big book, but it deals with all of Harwit's correspondence and how the exhibit evolved into what was finally unveiled in 1995. Fascinating stuff.
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  • From: Lyons Colorado, USA
Posted by Ray Marotta on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:45 PM
dans1120,
Your two cents worth is solid gold and right on the money. I once read an interview with a former Japanese soldier about the bombs. He said they
were terrible things but, he understood their use. He said, "if we'd had them,
we'd have used them on you."
Ray

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:59 PM
It drives me mad to hear the opinions of the countless people who see the atomic bombings as being the most horrendous, needless, and downright evil acts in world history.

To so many, vaguely knowing the war ended shortly after the bombings, the Japanese were going to surrender anyway. To think this is to ignore history.

The Japanese wouldn't simply surrender. When islands were captured by our soldiers, the civilians tossed their infants and themselves off of cliffs. They would rather die than surrender.

We sank their navy, we destroyed their air forces, we sank their shipping, we cut off their supplies, we sank their fishing boats. We destroyed entire cities, we firebombed them, we razed Tokyo to the ground.

They didn't surrender!

We had two options. We could drop the bombs and hope they would surrender, or we could invade. Countless GI's, having survived the war in Europe were to be fed into the meatgrinder of the Pacific. These soldiers wouldn't be killing just the Japanese Army, they would have to fight the millions of children and old men prepared to die gloriously for the Emperor and the home islands.

370,000 Purple Hearts were ordered.

We could drop the bombs and kill hundreds of thousands, or we could invade and kill millions, perhaps even risk destroying Japan, her people, her culture, and her thousands of years of history.

As it happenned, the bombs were dropped, half a million Japanese were killed, and two major cities were annihilated. Even then, the Japanese military held on, leading a failed coup to keep the Emperor from admitting defeat.

Every year, the mayor of Hiroshima lectures the world about the evils of nuclear weapons, ignoring the fact that those two bombs are what saved his nation from utter and complete obliteration.

Well, those are my two cents.
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  • From: NE Georgia
Posted by Keyworth on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:57 PM
It's about time! My dad served with the 20th AF late in the war and saw both Enola Gay and Bock's Car take off on their respective missions. I just wish he was around to see this plane get its due.
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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  • From: Warwick, RI
Posted by paulnchamp on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:07 PM
Nice to see the WHOLE airplane this time. Enola Gay played a pivotal role in
history and it shouldn't be whitewashed or diluted. The world needs to understand why those bombs were dropped in order to understand why they
must (hopefully) never be used again.

Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."
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  • From: USA
Posted by 72cuda on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:38 PM
It's about time that they finially got her done, I know that she helped open the Genies Bottle but it also saved millions of lives on both sides if you look at it the way Truman saw it, and now I'm here in Iraq helping our Government looking for the same Genie here, the world needs that reminder of what true war has to offer a weapon that could kill a planet not just cities (as chemical weapons could do) but a whole planet

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:21 PM
Here's a good overview:

http://www.afa.org/media/enolagay/

I saw the "more straightforward exhibit", but I still remember feeling that while the exhibit was good, it could have been better. I've spoken with Fred Olivi, the co-pilot from Bockscar, and he said that the exhibit was good given the controversey of the actual events (or words to that effect).

Regards,

-Drew

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:55 AM
What was the controversy?
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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 AM
Great news. I was at the Garber Restoration facility this past December and saw one of her turrets and an engine as they were being worked on.

FWIW, I saw the first Enola Gay exibit and left with mixed feelings. Generally, though, I liked that they focused on the crewmen, but I really disliked how the whole issue of dropping the bombs was handled. The thing is, I saw it so long ago that I kinda forget what upset me. :(

Regards,

-Drew

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Enola Gay Unveiled
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:25 AM
And thankfully its being displayed appropriately this time....

From the article I read on CNN.com, General Tibbets was very pleased at the unveiling of the completed aircraft.

I'm writing my Masters Thesis on controversial military exhibits and their proper display right now. I'm using the initial Enola Gay exhibit as an example of what not to do. Just a travesty what the museum's administration planned from the get-go with that airplane. Glad to see she's gonna get her rightful place up front in the limelight.


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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:02 AM
Great news!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:33 AM
All I can say is: It's about time!
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  • From: Sydney Australia
OT-Restored Enola Gay unveiled
Posted by seevee on Monday, August 18, 2003 11:57 PM
http://www.msnbc.com/news/953981.asp?0cv=TB10&cp1=1
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