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Interior color needed....
Posted by Jeeves on Saturday, September 6, 2003 10:00 PM
I am working on painting some of the interior of the P-51B (which I am converting to a C hopefully soon...) I am building, but am confused. The Tamiya instructions for the cockpit interior and wheel wells and the like say to use 2 parts flat yellow to 1 part flat green...which I am assuming is like zinc chromate. However, in B models I have also seen the interior green which looks more like OD.

Normally, I wouldn't fuss about it-- but as I am building this for someone else I want it to be my best yet. Would anyone know, or have some pics of, the P-51C interior??

I ordered the Osprey Mustang book from HistoricAviation.com, but it is on back order...and I am impatient Wink [;)]
Mike
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 6, 2003 10:46 PM
A suggestion: paint the cockpit with "interior green", wash and then drybrush with "zinc chromate". This would make it appear that paint has worn of showing the zinc chromate underneath. Do the wheel wells in in zinc chromate and weather.
I have not tried this but I have heard of it being done.

P.S. According to my sources (Squadron/Signal) The B and C models were the same, the only differance was location of manufacture. B models in L.A. and C models in Dallas.
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Posted by Jeeves on Sunday, September 7, 2003 10:41 AM
Never would've thought of doing it that way....thanks claymore!

Mike
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Posted by 72cuda on Sunday, September 7, 2003 11:10 AM
Hey Jeeves;
I've seen P-51B & C's have their main gear bays & doors natrual metal, and the interior color is loser to a interior green, and the tail wheel bay & doors are yellow zinc chromate,
so this maybe the scheme you maybe looking for
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Posted by Jeeves on Sunday, September 7, 2003 11:16 AM
Ay yi yi....so then there seems to be no real consistency then Black Eye [B)]

I can try calling Col. Dart again, but I don't want to bother him too much...

Blackwolf had said he may have some scans of the interior of the C model....but I haven't even seen him here in a few days. Hope he's OK....

I think I have done as much as I can for now until he finishes the tutorial on the fin fillet. I just started teaching again this week though, so modeling time is back down to a minimum anyway. Plus-- football's on today! Big Smile [:D]

Thanks again guys....I may have to either call him or just wait for the book to come....
Mike
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Posted by 72cuda on Sunday, September 7, 2003 1:03 PM
Hey Jeeves;
I have to admit that the examples I've seen are restored A/C I at the Imperial War Museum at Duxford England, and the other 1 at an Airshow so they may have not been restored to the correct colors too we'll never know, but as for in the field I've seen things that was made to work for that situation it was in, so combat compermises where in order to make'em flyable,
I'd go with Claymores suggestion on the interior & wheel bays & doors
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Posted by Jeeves on Sunday, September 7, 2003 7:19 PM
Thanks cuda....

I will probably do that.
Mike
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Posted by Ray Marotta on Monday, September 8, 2003 1:25 PM
Keep in mind that the P-51 had a plywood floor in the cockpit. Might want to drybrush some wood tan around the rudder pedals.
Ray

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Posted by rossjr on Monday, September 8, 2003 1:37 PM
What a second.... aren't we supposed to be asking Jeeves the questions, not the other way around......

OOPS wrong web-stie...
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 1:43 PM
Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Jeeves on Monday, September 8, 2003 2:07 PM
LOL

Thanks Ray... I already have in mind some small wooden slats that I'll be using for that-- but I wasn't sure if all variants (like the C) had them...

Back to the paint-- is there anyone who produces the yellow zinc chromate?? All I can find around here is Testors paint and I only see green zinc chromate which looks almost identical to interior green!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 2:47 PM
Testors used to make the yellow in the 1/4 oz bottles, but I haven't seen one of the old display's in awhile. Bob
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 6:02 PM
Jeeves - I have only found this one acrylic. They come in bottles with an eye dropper top. They are made by "The Colors of Eagles." Hope this helps ! aeromaster.comClick on "Aircraft Colors," then US WW II. (for some reason, I can't link to the specific page)
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Posted by 72cuda on Monday, September 8, 2003 7:08 PM
Hey Jeeves;
Testors makes it in Model Masters II paint, I've bought some just before I was sent to Iraq, it's with the ANA, Brit, Japanesse, Russian, paints shelves, not the FS shelves, and I know Hobby Lobby doesn't carry it, so you'll have to hit a really good hobby shop for it that carries all the Testors Model Master series paints
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Posted by Butz on Monday, September 8, 2003 9:59 PM
Hey 72cuda, Jeeves,
My local hobby shop(which kicks butt) carries both the Model Master lines.
So if ya ever in Niagara Falls NY, stop by Ace Hobby shop and say hi.

Hey Jeeves,
Are you going to the Rochester show Sept 21??
If so maybe I'll see ya up there plus I think Ron from Ace Hobby will be up there w/ a few tables to boot.
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Posted by Jeeves on Monday, September 8, 2003 11:01 PM
Hey Butz....

Rochester is quite a bit of a haul for me on a Sunday...especially when I have school the next day Sad [:(]
Mike
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Posted by Butz on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 1:04 AM
Hey Jeeves,
Ya party pooperTongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]. As for the lil 1/4 oz bottle of yellow zinc chromate, I'm sure that they are still being made.
The reference material that I have on the Strang show the main inner gear doors being natural metal as well as the landing gear doors.
That does not mean that they maybe were painted zinc yellow chromate or interior green(possibly even the exterior color) but the majority of the close ups of these areas show them being a NM finish.
I also have a picture of a factory fresh 51(original 8x10) that also shows the gear doors being NM.
As for the interior of the wheel wells that would be a tose up. I have pix that show them either interior green or a zinc yellow chromate/interior greenish mix. This particular area I would have to do a lil more hunting.
I know it is restored but here are some pix of a 51s interior so you get an idea what the colors looked like.
The interior color on this particular bird would be a cross between an interior green or US TAC Med-green (color match is close too)





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Posted by 72cuda on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 1:52 AM
hey Butz;
could you show more of the interior please, and are these of a factory fresh or restored one, because the interior looks pretty familiar to the ones I've seen restored at Duxford, also are these of the B-C's series or the D's series Cockpits?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 7:28 AM
The color in the middle photo is amost an exact match to Aquieous Hobby Colors interior green, no. H58. I think you can get this and many other paints on www.greatmodels.com.
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Posted by Jeeves on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 7:38 AM
Hey Butz...

Thanks for the pics!! OK-- I will be going to my local (LOL-- 30 minutes away) Hobbytown later this week and will look there...but there is also a small model store (READ- RC racing store) near school here and they do have a pretty good paint selection-- so I will go look there.

The Tamia instructions for the B says the inner sides of the gear doors and such are flat aluminum-- which is what I painted them. The wells are currently a self-made zinc chromate color...as is the cockpit (but I may change that later).

sphealey--

Thanks for the tip. GreatModels is a pretty good online store if you don't mind waiting weeks for your order to come...and they won't even ship it if it's less than $10!!! I ordered some pierced steel planking, and 2 bottles of Alclad 2 almost three weeks ago and they just got the paint in!!
Mike
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