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Sutherland? Flying Boat? Revised: Problem solved !!

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Sutherland? Flying Boat? Revised: Problem solved !!
Posted by davew6003 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:39 PM
I just saw a small clip on the Military channel about a British flying boat called a sutherland (probably not spelling that right) they also refered to it as the flying porcupine. My question is where can I find more info on it( I have tried but found nothing, maybe my spelling again) and does anyone make a model of one? Thanks.
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Posted by Allen109 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:44 PM
I believe its Sunderland.Check out anything regarding R.A.F. Coastal Command.I have no idea about anybody making a kit though.
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Posted by brain44 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:48 PM

I believe that you are referring to the Shorts Sunderland flying boat from WWII vintage.  The only kit of this aircraft that I am aware of is a 1:72 offering from the now defunct Airfix line.  They are usually available on eBay, I have bought a couple on there recently.  Google Shorts Sunderland for additional info, there is plenty out there on it.

 

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Posted by toomanyslurpees on Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:21 PM
there's a resin one out there, I forget who it comes from, in 1:48, but it's $300, so if you're feeling particularly hardcore.....
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Posted by davew6003 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:33 PM
Thanks guys. I was spelling it wrong, I found everything I need. Man I love this forum.
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Posted by razordws on Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:04 PM

I built the Airfix model last year and I will warn you that it is not for the faint of heart.  Best have some experience behind you before you tackle this one.  Fit issues with the fuselage and wings, many sink holes, especially all the circular side windows.  Be prepared to spend a lot of time dry fitting and puttying on this one but a decent result can be had.  The kit also did not come with the ASW radar so it has to be scratched.

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:10 PM

 toomanyslurpees wrote:
there's a resin one out there, I forget who it comes from, in 1:48, but it's $300, so if you're feeling particularly hardcore.....

 

Sounds like Collect-Aire kit to me.

 

WTG Dave!! 

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Posted by toomanyslurpees on Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:41 PM
yeh, that rings a bell
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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:47 PM
There's a Sunderland down here in Florida.  I believe it's the last one.  They have it at Fantasy of Flight, not far from Disney World.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:18 PM

 ikar01 wrote:
There's a Sunderland down here in Florida.  I believe it's the last one.  They have it at Fantasy of Flight, not far from Disney World.

Hmmm, when you get down that way, take some pics for Dave, I'm sure he'd appreciate some good pics from a modeler's perscectiveBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by Matt90 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:30 PM

 ikar01 wrote:
There's a Sunderland down here in Florida.  I believe it's the last one.  They have it at Fantasy of Flight, not far from Disney World.

Yep, I saw it last year. It's the last four-engined flying boat in the world, and it's actually a Sandringham, not a Sunderland, as it was a passenger liner. The interior is very nice (they let us go in it) with seats on the bottom and a lounge with a full-service bar on the top (fancy that today!). The plane felt a lot like a railcar, and the interior was suprisingly small.

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Posted by davew6003 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:33 PM
 Hippy-Ed wrote:

 ikar01 wrote:
There's a Sunderland down here in Florida.  I believe it's the last one.  They have it at Fantasy of Flight, not far from Disney World.

Hmmm, when you get down that way, take some pics for Dave, I'm sure he'd appreciate some good pics from a modeler's perscectiveBig Smile [:D]

Yes I think he would realy appreciate that.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:18 PM
 davew6003 wrote:
 Hippy-Ed wrote:

 ikar01 wrote:
There's a Sunderland down here in Florida.  I believe it's the last one.  They have it at Fantasy of Flight, not far from Disney World.

Hmmm, when you get down that way, take some pics for Dave, I'm sure he'd appreciate some good pics from a modeler's perscectiveBig Smile [:D]

Yes I think he would realy appreciate that.

 

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Posted by toomanyslurpees on Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:47 AM
I would have to question the last four engine flying boat in the world part, aren't there still two Martin Mars flying off the west coast of Canada? (unless they've been retired and I haven't heard about it)
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Posted by bwr1 on Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:07 AM

Yes, two Martin Mars are still flying as water bombers:

http://www.martinmars.com/

Bruce

 

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Posted by upnorth on Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:46 AM

I think the 1/48 Sunderland was by Sinifer, of France.

If you're adventurous and you don't mind Photo etch, I do believe White Ensign Models made a very nice interior set (perhaps 2 or 3 sets) for the Airfix Sunderland.

I'll agree the Airfix kit is challenging, but such is the case with older kits and the Airfix kit is over 30 years old, I think it was first released in the 60s sometime. The biggest problem I had with it was getting it to sit right on its beaching gear.

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Posted by upnorth on Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:12 AM

The 1/48 Sunderland is indeed by Sinifer and about 2kg/5lbs of resin when done. The difference is that the Airfix kit is a mk.III and the Sinifer kit is a mk.V

The Germans called it the Flying Porcupine as it wass virtually impossible to bring a Sunderland down, it was very robustly built and could take a ton of abuse.

I seem to recall reading about an incident in WWII where a Sunderland was jumped by around 8 ME-109s over the channel, the Sunderland downed something like 5 of them before they broke off the attack. The Sunderland went home with quite a few holes in her, but only one crewman lost.

Here's a link to some pictures of built up models from both the Airfix and Sinifer kits:

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal-Fea%20Archives/Prop/Sunderland/Sunderland.htm

 

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Posted by Semmern on Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:25 AM

upnorth, I believe those were actually Ju-88s.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sunderland  :

 "Although the .303 guns lacked range and hitting power the Sunderland had a fair number of them and it was a well-built machine that was hard to destroy. On 3 April 1940, a Sunderland operating off Norway was attacked by six German Junkers Ju 88 light bombers and managed to shoot one down, damage another enough to send it off to a forced landing and drove off the rest. The Germans were supposed to have nicknamed the Sunderland the "Fliegende Stachelschweine" (Flying Porcupine) due to its defensive firepower and to the several prominent antennas protuding from it."

 Edit: Oops, seems I was a bit premature there :)

"

The rifle-calibre .303 guns were far from satisfactory as they lacked hitting power but the Sunderland retained its reputation for being able to take care of itself. This reputation was enhanced by a savage air battle between eight Ju 88C long-range heavy fighters and a single RAAF Sunderland Mark III on June 2, 1943. There were 11 crewmen on board the Sunderland, including nine Australians and two British. The crew was on an anti-submarine patrol and also searching for remains of BOAC Flight 777, an airliner that had left Gibraltar the day before and subsequently been shot down over the Bay of Biscay.

In the late afternoon one of the crew spotted the eight Ju 88s. Bombs and depth charges were dumped while the pilot, Walker, redlined the engines. Two Ju 88s made passes at the flying boat, one from each side, scoring hits while the Sunderland went through wild "corkscrew" evasive manoeuvres. The fighters managed to knock out one engine. On the third pass of the fighters, the top-turret gunner managed to shoot one down. Another Ju 88 disabled the tail turret but the next fighter that made a pass was bracketed by the top and nose turrets and shot down as well.

Still another fighter attacked, smashing the Sunderland's radio gear, wounding most of the crew in varying degrees and mortally wounding one of the side gunners. A Ju 88 tried to attack from the rear but the tail turret gunner had managed to regain some control over the turret and shot it down. The surviving fighters pressed home their attacks despite the losses. The nose gunner chewed up one of the fighters and set one of its engines on fire. Two more of the attackers were thoroughly shot up and the other two finally decided they had had enough and departed. Luftwaffe records indicate these were the only two that made it back to base.

 

The Sunderland was a wreck. The crew threw everything they could overboard and nursed the aircraft back to the Cornish coast where Walker managed to land and beach it. The crew waded ashore, carrying their dead comrade, while the surf broke the Sunderland up. Walker received the Distinguished Service Order and several of the other crew received medals as well. Walker went on to a ground job while the rest of the crew was given a new Sunderland. That Sunderland and its crew disappeared without a trace over the Bay of Biscay two months later after reporting by radio that they were under attack by six Ju 88s."

 

 

 

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Posted by upnorth on Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:29 AM
I guess being attacked by JU-88s makes the Sunderland even more impressive!Bow [bow]
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Posted by mats.man on Sunday, December 31, 2006 11:58 PM

If you are interested in getting additional picture information on the Sunderland you might contact someone in the U.K. as there is a complete Sunderland in the RAF Museum. In addition, there are several British publicaqtions on the Sunderland and Scale Aircraft Modelling  in Britain did a complete In Detail article on the aircraft. For your information, I believe the Chinese Air Force is still flying an original 4 engine flying boat but there is, as of this time, no model of it.

 

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Posted by Matt90 on Monday, January 1, 2007 1:04 AM
I think you are getting at the Shin Maywa PS-1/US-1 five-engined turboprop flying boat used by the Japanese Navy/ Coast Guard. It's fifth engine is buried in the upper fuselage and it provides boundary-layer control for the wing.
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Posted by Matt90 on Monday, January 1, 2007 1:04 AM
I think you are getting at the Shin Maywa PS-1/US-1 five-engined turboprop flying boat used by the Japanese Navy/ Coast Guard. It's fifth engine is buried in the upper fuselage and it provides boundary-layer control for the wing.
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Posted by alex.norton on Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:55 PM

Not all civilian conversions of the Sunderland were classified as Sandringhams. Only those done by Short Brothers. Since the conversion from a Sunderland to a civilian aircraft was carried out in Australia by Ansett rather than at Shorts in the UK, the UK CAA would not classify the aircraft as a Sandringham. Its classification seems to be Sunderland Mk. V (modified).

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Posted by Ninetalis on Monday, May 21, 2012 10:45 AM

There is indeed a Sunderland in the UK, at the RAF London Museum, you can even go inside the plane, but I don't know if it is flyable, but I think it is, but they just don't fly it.

About the kit, there is a Signifer, but for the moment it is Out of Production, however, the owner of Signifer is working on a Sunderland, with US Build engines, I have had contact with the man itself,
he has some other beautifull models to!

There is also another sunderland in 1/48, molded by Alpha flight, but I think it is pretty hard to come by, and also, I think the Signifer model will be better and probable cheaper, but I haven't checked on that.

With regards, Ninetalis.

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Posted by LDSModeller on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:17 AM

We have a Short Sunderland down here in New Zealand, in fact Kermit Week's flying boat

is  a sister aircraft to ours. Prior to being sold to Ansett in Australia and eventually Mr Weeks, she flew with the Royal New Zealand Air Force

This is NZ4115 Q- Queenie a Mk V or MR5 in RNZAF  service. She currently reside at the Museum of Transport and Technology  (MOTAT) here in Auckland. When she was donated by the RNZAF, she was fully operational

The Airfix Sunderland is old, but with some work you can build it into a nice model, some photos of my build

Regards

Alan

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Posted by milford18337 on Monday, May 4, 2015 1:40 PM

WEhere can I buky one?????????????

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 4, 2015 4:14 PM

Amazon.

The Airfix one is about $ 30, the Italeri one is about $ 50.

http://www.amazon.com/Airfix-A06001-Sunderland-Military-Aircraft/dp/B0002HZWOA

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:45 AM

Italeri also make a recent tool 1/72 Sunderland

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Posted by VN750 on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 10:56 AM

Really great job.  thanks for the warning.  I have that kit bought new,  waiting for the impulse to get in over my head.  Lots of flash with mine.

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