Alternative?

Anonymous

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November 2005

Alternative?

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:00 AM

hi guys, is airbrushing the only pretty way for painting an armored vehicle or painting it in a traditional way will turn out fine? I'm looking for airbrushing sets and compressors here in the philippines and its too expensive Sad [:(]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:10 AM

I don't think so. When I was a teen I made more that my share of German armor and I never owned an airbrush and I was always happy with the way mine turned out. If you looking for that factory fresh look you might want to use one. But there are many handbrush techniques you can use and get great results. You might want to browse through the painting forums.

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:14 PM

Hi Jedi_Mike8. I think it's a matter of preference. I too, used to paint all my models using brushes only. However, when I got older my German tanks in particular just didn't look right with hard edged camo jobs. This is the beauty of an airbrush, you can get the soft edged results that you can't with brushing. Not to mention that you don't get brush marks either.
I think the results speak forthemselves. You might try www.dixieart.com ? or www.bearair.com for airbrushing supplies. Sorry, I dont know if tthe first one is correct.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond o fit."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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okieboy

Member since
July 2003
From: USA

Posted by okieboy on Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:31 PM

Hey Jedi_MIke8,

I've painted models both ways and my opinion is if you're going to do anything larger than 1/72, use some form of spray or airbrush paint. I made the mistake of trying to paint a 1/35 Tiger using a brush. Luckily, I started on the underside of the hull and recovered by doing the rest with a spray. I recently finished a 1/16 Tiger I and the airbrush was indispensible: no brush marks, no hard lines, plus your paint goes a lot further.

"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." George Orwell

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RAF120

Member since
March 2003
From: Exit 7a NJ Turnpike

Posted by RAF120 on Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:52 PM

For most of the armor that I've done I use a spray can but then again I model mostly US WWII armor. Even when I do a camo job the base color is with a spray can.
I never tried it but I would guess with some preplanning and creative masking you could do a nice camo job with a spray can.

Trevor Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?

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mark956

Member since
February 2003
From: USA

Posted by mark956 on Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:02 PM

Thanks tigerman, I am in the market for a airbrush. The badger anthem looks good.
mark956

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:43 PM

I build only 1/72 scale Armor, and I'll put the base coat on with a spraycan, when I have the color. Then I brush on the camo pattern over it. I've found that's the easiest way for me in Braille Scale.

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crossracer

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December 2002

Posted by crossracer on Monday, November 17, 2003 7:17 AM

I've tried some brush painting with artist oil paints in 1/72 and loved the result. You can thin them down and featehr them to no end. The long dry is both a plus and a minus. But if your looking for good results on th echeap, this is a way to go. Bill

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 7:47 AM

I hate to admit it, but I have a nice air brush and actually use it very little. Most times, I use masks of various materials (tissue, tape, silly putty, cotton, string, salt) anything that will work. I also brush paint in areas. Most of the time, I'll overcoat with the canned spam spray paint. However, the airbrush is MUCH nicer if you want a thin cover coat (if you're applying several different colors), but by no means the ONLY way to go!

My feeling is, if it looks good, who cares how it was applied!

Ron.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:07 PM

It all depends on your standard, and how much of a perfectionist you are.
The truth is, brushed finish cannot compare with thin, even airbrushed coats.

Can't you buy one off Ebay?

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Monday, November 17, 2003 10:23 PM

It was probably said before, but your tool can depend upon the date that the vehicle is being modelled, the age of the camo, and what kind of camo. I do with brushes, always have-can't afford an airbrush either...BUT I do see the need for an airbrush on some things-not all.

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Monday, November 17, 2003 11:55 PM

jedi_mike8;
Although I now own an airbrush ( Big Smile [:D]

well I call it one, many don't - its an AZTECK Big Smile [:D]

) Most of my earlier models were hand painted due to the costs of airbrushes and compressors here in Australia when I first started modelling. A few things I did learn during this time were;
a. not to use acrylics due to their quick drying time.
b. ensure that enamels are thinned correctly.
c. use good qualitly brushes and apply the coats evenly and in one direction only.
d. Use a spray can to apply a primer over the model first.

There were members of my last club who would only paint by hand and they have obtained excellent finish, their secret was they kept practicing until they developed their techniques to their current level.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:30 AM

thanks guys, i guess i just have to practice more to hone my skills the traditional way and hopefully I can buy the airbrush sooner. Are primers have different colors or its just transparent? pls correct me if im wrong im still a little bit ignorant with regards to paintings. Any website for painting techniques?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 6:27 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by jedi_mike8

thanks guys, i guess i just have to practice more to hone my skills the traditional way and hopefully I can buy the airbrush sooner. Are primers have different colors or its just transparent? pls correct me if im wrong im still a little bit ignorant with regards to paintings. Any website for painting techniques?

kamusta! Just check the painting section of the forum or just search for it in google, goodluck! Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 6:34 AM

QUOTE: Thanks tigerman, I am in the market for a airbrush. The badger anthem looks good.
mark956

I use the Anthem 155 and I think you will really like it. It has taken over as my favorite, beating out the Aztech.

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Dwight Ta-ala

Member since
July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 6:54 PM

Jedi-mike:

What's your budget for the airbrush set? I only have the Tamiya Basic Airbrush Set. It's a small compressor with a basic airbrush. It cost only P4600 ($83). I have been using it for about a year now and I think it is good enough as a starter set. I also believe that it will still last for a couple years more.

If you intend to really go for a more advanced set I think a small industrial-type compressor will costs about P5000 and an airbrush also about P5000.

My suggestion is if you don't want to spend that much, and you really want to have an airbrush set, go for the Tamiya one.

Just my opinion.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 7:03 PM

Ok, some Military equipment is shipped in the base colour only to the units and the crew often paints their own schemes using "colour sets".
Those are times are brushed and sometime spray-painted.

If you use retarder and similar you can get a pretty smooth finish on 1/35 vehicles, soft edges can also be achieved but take quiet a bit of work and time.

There are a few alternatives to using Compressors and canned air.
Quiet a few people I know use their scuba-tanks or car-tires with appropriate valve attachements.
Also have a look at compressors/air-pump that are designed to fill your car-tire you can often get those cheap for a few bucks from the automotive shop.

Either of those will tie you over till you can afford a good compressor.

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mark956

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February 2003
From: USA

Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 11:09 PM

Eric, I just got the Anthem 155. I have not used it yet, but it really looks nice.
mark956

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 12:40 AM

There is another alternative to compressors. I have used a CO2 tank with my Aztek airbrushes (2) for about eight years now and I LOVE it! In my opinion, CO2 is the perfect way to go. It is quiet because there is no motor as on a compressor, it is totally non-toxic, and it is totally dry so there is no need to add a moisture trap. With a CO2 tank, a pressure regulator, and a good airbrush I can paint literally dozens of models before needing to recharge the cylinder. And CO2 is cheap, about $20 for a refill every few years.

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 11:22 PM

That was quick Mark, do you have a compressor? Enjoy!

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 4, 2003 6:07 PM

Hi jedi-mike. I could recommend something cheaper if your that tight on the budget. I think they sell there Gunze airbrush set the ones with the canned air included. Maybe you should go for that. That's how I started out. I think they sell it before around P2,500 @ Special Toys. If you like you could check that out. Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 5, 2003 2:07 AM

you can also check out national bookstore and look for the airbrushes they sell at one of the counters, I remember my dad buying his first airbrush kit there and it cost him a little over a thousand pesos, it might be quite troublesome for sometime but it gets the job done. Or try to check the thriftshops around makati, I heard that they're selling spray-guns, compressors, and even air-brushes. But don't expect them to have it in stock, because they are quite rare and the selling price is very low.

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Dwight Ta-ala

Member since
July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Friday, December 5, 2003 3:26 AM

National Bookstore also sells compressors at around P4000 to P6000.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:37 AM

hello! is the gunze-sangyo with canned air is good? i saw it at festival mall and it's only 2000 pesos, and a spare canned air is 600. they also refill the can.

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