German halftrack help

are you asking about the 251/22?
it was first produced from December 1944 so it wouldnt have been in sicily or africa

wht about italy or wht paint shemes did they have panzer grey?

They would not have been in italy, or in panzer grey. Winter whitewash would be an acceptable paint job for the 251/22.

As Captain Caveman pointed out, the 251/22 was produced starting in 1944; therefore, the base color would be dark yellow. Camo colors over that would be red-brown and dark green. The interior would also be painted dark yellow. I have no info if the vehicle was used in Italy or not; it seems likely it would have been. It also seems most of the German vehicles operating in Italy were oversprayed with red-brown lines and spots more often than dark green; this may be just coincidental, based on the pictures I have on hand.

when was panzer grey when did they stop using it

is winter white wash just flat white or.....wht

Up to 1940, German vehicles were painted a mix of 2/3 Panzer Gray ('Dunkelgrau') and 1/3 Dark Brown ('Dunkel Braun'). From 1940 to the first few months of 1943 only the Dunkelgrau was used; after that base colour was Dark Yellow ('Dunkelgelb').

There are some suggestions that Dunkelgrau was used in the last few months of the war, when stocks of other colours were spent. Many references also state that if Dunkelgelb was not available the vehicles rolled off the line, for front line use, in the base red-brown primer.

To depict whitewash use a flat, slightly off - white colour. (Pure white is too stark for scale effect and whitewash quickly wore away leaving a dirty white colour showing ). Be careful what you use as a sealer after the whitewash, as most have a yellow base that spoils the whitewash effect.

so would painting the half trackwith gren spots be accurate

If you're doing winterwash use the ground-up chalk method as described in an old FSM issue... If somebody could point to the right issue that would be good. I think the winterwash was done on some russian tank. I used that method for some excellent results.

so in theoery dark grey would be accurate RE to petbat

wht abou greann spaots or lines over sandy or drk yellow

Hiya Fireflygunner20,
The SdKfz 251/22,was built from 1944 (as stated), the whole gun including the shield was fitted in the crew compartment 22rounds of ammo were carried and a crew of 4 operated the gun.
It was only built on the ausf D model and was considered very successful although the weight of the PAK 40 tended to overload the chassis. I hope this is of some use to you.
Bye LOZ

As stated above, the Panzer grey was used until February of 1943. After this vehicles were painted dark yellow and red-brown and dark green concentrates issued to the panzer units. The beauty of the German camo schemes is they were so varied, almost any pattern of the dark yellow base with red-brown and/or dark green overspray would be appropriate and realistic, as it was up to the crews to determine the patterns of camouflage. There is some documentation regarding some units formed near the end of the war which were painted in nearly identical camo patterns; but this would be a rare event. Softskins and halftracks were frequently overpainted with brushed patterns, as only tanks had built-in compressors for spray painting. The dark green and red-brown paints came in 2Kg cans in paste form; they were diluted with whatever was on hand: gasoline, oil, mineral spirits, even water. Therefore the variance in color was enormous, and we cannot say with any degree of certainty (or anal-retentiveness) what was a "right" color. Keep in mind a brushed-on color would likely be darker in appearance than a sprayed-on color as well. On occasion, crews even applied the pastes to their vehicles right out of the can; this would tend to make the red-brown almost a chocolate color, and the dark green appear nearly black. Weathering also had a huge effect on paints; colors diluted with water would be far less permanent than those diluted with gasoline or oil. The sun also faded colors quickly in summer.
In answer to your earlier question: I personally don't think Panzer Grey would be a likely color for this vehicle (251/22), as it was produced in 1944; If you are going to depict it as taking part in the Italian campaign during 1944 it would be in dark yellow base color. I'm not sure if this particular halftrack was produced toward the end of the war, as Germany was concentrating on building tanks, so it's seems unlikely you would see it in Panzer Grey.
Hope this helps; good luck with your project and let us see the pics when you're done!
And I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving!

QUOTE: Originally posted by fireflygunner20 so in theoery dark grey would be accurate RE to petbat wht abou greann spaots or lines over sandy or drk yellow

Sorry if I wasn't clear FFG.

The 251/22 was produced from late December 1944 onwards, and therefore would not be Panzer Gray at all. The base colour would have been Dark Yellow and initial batches may have been whitewashed by their crews given theat wasthe Winter season in Europe. Whether any went to Italy, I don't know, but it is unlikely given that Italy was to fall within months.

The application of the camo colour/s would depend on where and when you wish to depict the vehicle. If operating in wooded areas, green could be used. Usually if green was used, it was in conjunction with the red-brown over the yellow. Especially in late spring, summer, and Autumn. The camo colour paint was most often applied in large patches, or wavy lines. I have not seen many photos of vehicles with spots, but that is not to say that it didn't happen.

Anyway FFG, the end result is this: If you want to paint the model pink with yellow spots, do it. You are the one that needs to be happy with the final result, not everyone else.

hey a 251 thats pink with yellow spots sounds a good cammo
FFG what kit have you got? is it 1.72 or 1.35th scale
or havnt you got it yet?
if your after a 251 that would have been in italy you should get the 251/9 stummel it had a short 75mm gun

im lookin for accuracy thnks for all ur help folks unfronualty i cant get pics out cuz i dont hoew but ill try so checkin to this forum every so often to see if i have pics it shoulnt take long

If your looking for historical accuracy and want something that took part in Italy or the desert there’s other half tracks with different guns on them
The 251/22 is only out in 1/35th as a resin conversion or you could convert the Tamiya or AFV Clubs 251 to take the Tamiya or Italeri pak 40
The Tamiya 251/9 Stummel would have been in Italy
Ill have a look in some books for any halftrack combo that took part in italy if you that’s what your after

yup im a meddietrean fan

by late tommorw ill have pics by the afternon so if u wanna see it it will be here or in the gallery(another one of my forums) but there wil be pics by tommorw

Look forward to seeing them fireflygunner.

looking forward to seeing it

sorry folks goona be delayed another day

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the pic is in my gallery just click firefly guner then click the gallery and thts where ull find it