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Polish Armored Train Brave 1/35 my first bench...

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Van
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  • From: London, UK
Polish Armored Train Brave 1/35 my first bench...
Posted by Van on Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:06 PM

This going to be my biggest model ever build. It's going to be a complete armored train in 1/35 skale.

Full resin kit with some PE and turned bumpers. Actually there is a 6 kits as one: 2 artillery wagons, 2 platforms(flat cars), engine-locomotive and assault wagon.

This train was use in September 1939 in Poland against German... than Russian captured it and than captured by Germans. Last time was seen in 1944 in German hands defending  city in Poland against soviets....

2 artillery wagons where equipped with 2 cannons 75 mm each and 2 howitzers-Skoda 100 mm each. Every wagon where equipped with Heavy Machine Guns. All toughener 22 heavy machine guns plus (possibly 2 antiaircraft machine guns on platforms) Flat cars where used to carry spare tracks, tools, ammo, bikes, motorcycles...etc

Poland had many armored trains. Most of them where destroyed or captured by Germans in 1939..Brave was one of the trains that survived till 1944...

In general it was a huge firepower and always bring a lot of distraction anywhere it showed up...

First few photos of the real thing:

 

 

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:11 PM

Wow Van, that is going to be CRAZY!!  And loooong!  I hope you have room for this one! 

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

Van
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Posted by Van on Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:15 PM

I started it from building the flat cars. Full resin, parts where twisted and bended when the model arrived. HIT GUN was my best friend for many sessions...I used it to hit up the parts and straith them out... On edges of flat cars i had to use metal supporters. L shape brass metal bars to keep the parts in right shape...

"So many models so little time"

Van
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Posted by Van on Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:24 PM

Ya...it's huge...The base will be 8.3 feet long!!

Here is a photo of All pieces..on left small tank 7TP the size of Panzer 2

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, March 1, 2010 12:09 AM

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q108/marj69/SMILEYS/big_eyes.jpg

Looks like you have it under control.......

http://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by MECHTECH on Monday, March 1, 2010 9:03 AM

Wow.....nice to hear that someone has extra room to fill. The wife would kill me if I tried to set something that long up in the house to display.

By the way, did you get to see any of the Games?

 

Van
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Posted by Van on Monday, March 1, 2010 8:24 PM

Almost done except few details...

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by Tankluver on Monday, March 1, 2010 8:27 PM

Wow this looks awesome. Where did you get this kit from

Van
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Posted by Van on Monday, March 1, 2010 8:35 PM

Hi,

It comes from www.jadarhobby.pl...." 5 Star Model " 5 Star Model acculy has a website you can see all they models:

 

http://www.jadar.com.pl/5star/5star-35-eng.htm

Cheers...

"So many models so little time"

Van
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    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Monday, March 1, 2010 8:43 PM

MECHTECH

 The wife would kill me if I tried to set something that long up in the house to display.

 

Yes I am with you on that...fortunately i have my own room the lady i live with accept my hobby :) ...only sometimes she is saying I am crazy ....when she saw the armored train..she ask me: Where you gonna put the BIG BOAT?  :)

 

 

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by krow113 on Monday, March 1, 2010 8:52 PM

Van ask me at the next meeting about a base for your train kit ,I think something with a little curve in it

would be cool ,and maybe able to mount on a wall.Something interesting for an interesting subject. Does the kit come with tracks?

Thank you ,Krow113

Van
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    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Monday, March 1, 2010 9:31 PM

Hey,

Speaking of with...base for this model is actually in good progress....i just added some grass to it  :)

It is made of: wood base, L shape metal bars and in the middle a metal door frame. The frame is super flat and is good base for lay down the tracks...

 

"So many models so little time"

Van
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    February 2010
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Posted by Van on Monday, March 1, 2010 9:41 PM

The whole kit comes with tracks but they're out of scale..i will make my own tracks. The metal part will come from trumpeter kit and the wooden part will be made of balsa..

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, March 1, 2010 10:00 PM

HOLY COW!  This is HUGE... I don't think I have seen a bigger diorama than what you are building in the forum.  This is going to be fun to watch... and you better double check with your lady to make sure that she is OK with this.  Ladies like to change mind often...

Andy

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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, March 1, 2010 10:39 PM

Wow!  That's a looong base!

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 1, 2010 11:33 PM

Wow, this should be cool. Never seen the likes of this before. I wasn't aware the Poles had anything like this.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 1:17 AM

This is quite a project !! NOT boring!Big Smile I'll be looking in to see how it goes. The subject of armored trains offers tons of possibilities

Great discussion of armored trains,German,Italian, Russian, even Japanese @  LINK

 Polish is a lot harder to find

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

Van
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    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 9:17 PM

Next -2 artillery wagons. Model has a 3 main segments. 2 ends and middle part. I started cutting the ends and worked to feet to middle part. The artillery wagon has a 4 gun door. I decided to modified and "open" one door. Original photo is from one of the Polish armored trains. It show how the door opens to extend angle of fire...

Inside the door: Water cooled Machine gun

"So many models so little time"

Van
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    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 8:48 AM

This long resin edges is hard to keep straight. They need a support like the L shape metal bars...

"So many models so little time"

Van
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Posted by Van on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:17 AM

tigerman

Wow, this should be cool. Never seen the likes of this before. I wasn't aware the Poles had anything like this.

Tiger,

The Polish Army had 10 regular armoured trains in 1939, and all took part in World War II.

Here is  web in english abut this subject: http://derela.republika.pl/armtrain.htm

 

"So many models so little time"

Van
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    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:42 PM

I did some research about the guns for this train and find out that the guns that comes with the kit are not to good ..looking. I decided to built my own guns. The 2 artillery wagons where equipped with 2 75mm and 2 100 mm howitzer each... The 2 75 mm are ready to paint...now i am working on 100 mm guns. To make the guns i used cooper tubes and some PE parts. The first photo present the 75 mm that was used on most Armored trains in Poland in 1939

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by zokissima on Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:02 PM

This is certainly one monumental undertaking. Keep posting the progress of this one, as we don't often get to see something of this size and scope.

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:02 PM

Van

 tigerman:

Wow, this should be cool. Never seen the likes of this before. I wasn't aware the Poles had anything like this.

 

Tiger,

The Polish Army had 10 regular armoured trains in 1939, and all took part in World War II.

Here is  web in english abut this subject:  http://derela.republika.pl/armtrain.htm

 

Van--that is an incredible resource for information on the Polish Armored Trains !

www.http://derela.republika.pl/armtrain.htm 

Hitler examines his victim(http://derela.republika.pl/gs.htm)

About a bazillion other rare photos there

 

 

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

Van
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    February 2010
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Posted by Van on Friday, March 5, 2010 9:04 PM

I find some aluminum pipes today in loco hobby shop and i use them to make the 100 mm howitzers for the artillery wagons... This very potent 100mm gun was made by Skoda... I also make a bicycle that will be laying down on one of the flat cars...

"So many models so little time"

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:06 AM

Howdy Van!

Beautiful work again - and again a very Polish project!Big Smile I love it - keep it up, and have a nice day!

Pawel

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

Van
  • Member since
    February 2010
  • From: London, UK
Posted by Van on Saturday, May 1, 2010 11:49 PM

Hi, Back on track again..Will continue with the Polish Armored train... I'm almost done assembly with assault wagon...You see a lot of antenna musts with isolators...On top there will be a wire going around this isolators same as on the war photos... I also make a AA machine gun (polish copy of browning)but I think i will not use it there will be no room on flat cars...i am still not sure if they really use them like that in 1939... It's hard to find a lot of info about this train...I only read ones about bofors AA and machine guns on platforms...Anyway...on the bottom you will see a photos of a Army bike from 1939... This is of course a copy of the original bike that was used in polish army by some forces...They are made by the same factory in Radom (still making weapons) that was producing Mauser for army and most military equipment and weapons before 1939... Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket This photo is from some Historic show. Only girls looks like the loco... collage ones :) Cheers... Photobucket

Here is update on building tracks..I used balsa wood to create the rail blocks Cut first on table saw and then glued down with carpenter glue.. As a guide I used original Trumpeter plastic railroads beads... placing them upside down on the diorama and inserting the pre cut wood blocks inside...This was very helpful to keep straight line with the woodblock... Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket

"So many models so little time"

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, May 2, 2010 1:19 AM

VaN~! all good stuff--I'm glad I asked

You've been very much at work on different things for this project--great to see the update.

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

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Posted by 7TPFan on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:06 PM

Hello Van/ Analogic !

Happy to find You and "the longest of the project" in good shape. I`m stil wondering why You disappeared so suddenly with  "Smigly" project ? Hope to see this train finished with proud and rumble ;)

 

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Posted by Guney on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:50 PM

Indifferent

 

Very interesting....I'll follow....Smile

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:56 PM

HOLY CABOOSE BATMAN.

 

That is a cool project.  The details you are adding are superb.

Marc  

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