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DML Jagdpanther Late Complete PICS P9 12-12-10

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DML Jagdpanther Late Complete PICS P9 12-12-10
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 26, 2010 8:54 PM

Started on the next project, DML's kit #6393 Jagdpanther Late Production Smart Kit with Model Kasten SK-10 workable tracks.

I had a lot going on this weekend so even though I got started on this build, the progress at the outset was somewhat limited. Work started where it usually does with the roadwheels, sprockets, and idlers in Step 1. I cleaned up all the mold seams with a sanding stick and assembled the middle road wheels, the idlers, and sprockets and left the inner/outer wheel halves separate for painting later on.

I also had assembled a run of the MK links to test the fit for the sprockets and idlers to make sure I wouldn't have any issues there down the road. The sprockets fit perfectly but the idlers were a little too thick. I compared them to the middle road wheels and they are thicker, leading me to believe that the problem is with the idlers and not the MK links since the middle wheels fit just fine between the guide teeth. Some quick work with a sharp #11 knife and careful sanding on the inner surface of the idler did the trick.

Step 2 is a time-consuming step as it deals with all the different suspension elements for the lower hull. The time consuming part is cleaning up the different contact points on each swing arm and the matching torsion bar parts that install to the hull interior. All of the swing arms were glued into position and checked for alignment to make sure the suspension would sit level. The hull sponsons are also added at this point and the instructions have the part numbers reversed, a minor pitfall to watch out for. The step also calls for the install of the front and rear tow hooks but I left them off for now to avoid potential issues with the installation of the glacis and rear hull plate that comes in later steps. 

Any progress is good progress, more to come next weekend when I can devote a full round of bench-time hopefully!

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:10 PM

This is going to be fun to watch.  Getting the running gear on is half the battle.  Looks good so far.  Will be looking forward for next weekend to see the progress.

Rob

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:18 PM

FREAKING AWESOME that you went for this Jagdpanther! Yes  Why?  My wife gave me the most recent DML kit Jagdpanther with zimmerit for my 40th birthday last June so your WIP will be very helpful as usual.  Safe to say that you have saved my marriage because I will not run out to buy one this time... thank you Bill! Beer

Andy

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:25 PM

The man wastes no time, and will reach the 200 mark in no time. Off to a great start Bill.  Yes Gotta love the Sunday updates from wild Bill, like opening a model magazine.

You da man Bill

Cheers

Rob

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PS

Bill I finally got around to buying some MK tracks (T-72 tank) after seeing all of those great builds of yours. I paid $10 for them at the show.

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:29 PM

The guy is just a machine.......http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e105/CommentCrazyGirl/Smileys%20Action/Office%20Computer/LoScrigno_faxsmile.gif

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, September 27, 2010 5:40 AM

Well.....I am glad to see someone was at the bench while a bunch of us were off at a show!!Big Smile

Hey.....if you open the box, set up the bench and just read the directions thats progress.!

Hummm....that suspension looks mind numbing!!

Your out of the starting blocks!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Hinksy on Monday, September 27, 2010 5:56 AM

Sweet!

You've gotta love these big Dragon Kitties!

The susension is a work of art in itself! It looks the same as when I built my Dragon Panther G. It looks mind numbing Redleg but is actually a lot of fun!

I had a good look at your website Bill - VERY impressed! Yes

Make sure you blog this one buddy!

ATVB

Ben Yes 

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, September 27, 2010 6:04 AM

Wow Bill is at again,Watch and learn !!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, September 27, 2010 6:30 AM

WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG!

Marc  

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, September 27, 2010 6:41 AM

Ahhhhhh, another WIP from Bill! Excellent!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 27, 2010 9:15 AM

Thanks guys, appreciate all the interest!

Andy, just doing my part...glad to hear I'm no threat to your marital bliss this time around! You've stumbled on the perfect excuse though, pre-emptive stash acquisition! Stick out tongue

Rob, the 200 mark is a looooong way off. Assuming a build rate of 10 per year (and the fact that this one is #108), I should get there around the 2020 timeframe if nothing happens between now and then! Propeller

Ben, you're right about the heritage on these kits. They share a lot of the same parts as the DML Panther G kits right down to some of the parts being labelled on the sprue as "Steel Wheel". Not an uncommon thing these days, there are lots of parts marked as "not for use" as well. Glad you like the site and hope it's a good resource for you.

BeerMarc, your post put a smile on my face for a Monday morning, always a good thing! Big Smile Weekend building is how I get away from the day-to-day stresses of the work week and when I miss one or have it shortened, I feel it for a while. That's why the period of time in the summer when I couldn't build due to the contractor work on the house was the absolute worst! Propeller

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, September 27, 2010 10:27 AM

    I've said it before and I'll say it again you  Mr. Plunk are a bad influenceWink.

  I've been trying to not pick up any new kits till I got a few from the stash completed. While at the  AMPS show I even had the Tamiya Wespe in my hands but managed to talk myself down. But with the GranitCon show in about three weeks I may have to stay away from this wip till after the showWink.  

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, September 27, 2010 5:39 PM

THERE'S NO SMILING IN MODELING!

WELL... IS IT DONE YET?

 

Ok Ok... seriously.  Starting the week with a smile is a good thing.  Glad I could help.

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 27, 2010 8:03 PM

Sorry to be such a destructive influence on you Steve! Propeller You should've gone with the Wespe, that way you wouldn't be forced to abstain until GraniteCon! Wink

Marc, I will promise to keep a straight face during my time at the workbench from here on out. Right up until the time I stick myself with an Xacto that is! Stick out tongue

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, September 27, 2010 8:16 PM

wbill76

Marc, I will promise to keep a straight face during my time at the workbench from here on out. Right up until the time I stick myself with an Xacto that is! Stick out tongue

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, September 27, 2010 8:53 PM

[quote user="wbill76"]

Sorry to be such a destructive influence on you Steve! Propeller You should've gone with the Wespe, that way you wouldn't be forced to abstain until GraniteCon! Wink

/quote]

 Bill  I'd say your more of a constructive influenceWink

  Unfortunately I'll be abstaining at GranitCon and the rest of the shows this year also. Made  a promise to myself  to not buy anymore armor till I get the stash down to twenty kits, theres about  forty now.

   That doesn't mean I still wont be picking up figs and AM stuff thoughWhistling

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM

Another gem of a subject. I've got the older Tamiya kit and was wondering if I should upgrade to Dragon's. Personally, I think I'll save it for when I'm in my 60's and blind as a bat. Less parts.

Are you doing the striped-camo on her? Did your kit come with the DS tracks?

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM

Steve, sounds like a good plan! I too practice "stash management" and have a set threshold of the number of maximum kits allowed at any one time...although I have to admit mine is 80 and not 20! Big Smile

Eric, this one is the standard Smart Kit and the production timeframe is outside the window when zim was applied so it has the normal Magic tracks vs. the DS tracks. I am leaning towards the striped camo of the sPzJgAbt 654 but not 100% committed just yet. Wink  

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:23 AM

Very good Bill. Do you dislike the magic-tracks? I know your a hardcore MK fan, but to me if the kit tracks are good enough, then it doesn't seem to make fiscal sense to replace them. That's just my conservatism talking. Embarrassed

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:11 PM

Nothing against Magic links per se and they do have their uses...but I've gotten so comfortable with using workable tracks in terms of the benefits they bring (easier sag, more flexibility in painting and weathering, ability to work on them in small chunks of time for assembly, etc.) that the added cost isn't a concern for me. Magic tracks still require clean-up and can be fragile even when constructed in runs and allowed to set-up thoroughly and, for me, are a more stressful exercise vs. working with workable tracks as a result. On the Pz III N Winterketten build for example I didn't have a choice...and saved the tracks to as far to the end as I could as a result because I needed huge blocks of time to work with them both for clean-up and actually assembly/set-up time. While workable links have their own trade-offs, for me at least they are worth it in the long run. Smile

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 8:45 PM

This weekend's efforts were very productive and a lot of progress made. First up was to continue from last time and complete Step 3. This step calls for all the road wheels to be installed and this was skipped until after painting but I did go ahead and assemble and install the radiator and fans for the interior. The instructions have a small pitfall here if you're not careful, you have to make sure the end with the slots is at the back on both sides otherwise when it comes time to fit the upper hull with the grills, things won't fit properly.

Steps 4 and 5 deal with the rear hull plate and its installation into the lower hull and I reversed the order of the steps. The instructions would have you add all the detail to the plate first, then install it, and that of course makes things harder in terms of getting everything to fit properly and line up as it should. So I installed the plate to the lower hull first and did a test fit with the upper hull to make sure the alignment was correct. For the hull details, I added everything except the clear part for the rear Notek light and also assembled the jack but left it separate for now to make it easier to paint that area before it is installed. I also used a drill bit and pin vise to deepen the look of the air cooling pipes since the parts were molded hollow but not deep enough for my tastes.
I also added the tow shackles from Step 2 but didn't glue them down so that they remain free-swinging.


Step 6 is a simple step, it adds the cast collar for the gun mount along with the hull MG mount and the periscope for the driver. Step 7 assembles the hull MG and installs it into the ball mount so I combined the two as a single effort. You can assemble the multi-part MG which is highly detailed if you want but none of it will be seen...so I took a shortcut and only used the barrel portion, J28, and glued that into position in the mount. The fit of the cast collar doesn't exactly correspond to the shape of the cut-out in the hull, so I needed to use small amounts of Squadron White putty around the edges to fill the slight gaps that were present. I used a small amount of poster blue tack putty to mask the clear portion of the periscope that would be visible after painting and painted a small amount of MM non-buffing Metalizer Steel on the back side to create a slightly reflective surface that will still show through once the rest of the periscope is painted.

Step 8 deals with the construction of the main engine compartment access hatch and also adds quite a bit of detail on the rear engine deck with the various fuel port covers, lifting eyes, etc. I did need a small amount of putty around the catch for the crew compartment rear hatch as the opening provided was larger than the small tab on its base.

Step 9 deals with the assembly of the gun cleaning rod tube and I skipped that for now and will come back to it after the upper and lower hulls are joined. Step 10 adds the large grates for the engine deck along with their PE mesh grills but I only added the grates for now to help stiffen the rear deck a bit and avoid potentially damaging the grills when the upper and lower hulls are joined. Test fits had shown that that was going to require some major help and I didn't want them to get damaged in the process.

Before the upper and lower hulls could be joined, the main gun had to be assembled and prepped for installation into the upper hull. The assembly takes place in Step 15 so skipping ahead to that step showed that the breech and external portions of the gun needed to be assembled separately. The breech is relatively straight forward, just the two halves of the breech plus the recoil housing on top. This joins to a trunnion mount that then is trapped against the collar from the inside using the large square/rectangular piece T21. If you don't glue the pins on the trunnions mount into T21, the gun will remain free to elevate but the weight of the barrel portion is too much and the gun will droop as a result. In order to get the right elevation pose, I avoided gluing the trunnion mount just yet.

The gun barrel assembly is a multi-part process and the instructions contain an error in directing you to use TF3 as the base of the muzzle brake. The d-shaped opening on that brake is not aligned properly and instead you need to use part Q2 to get the right arrangement. The barrel is molded as one piece and only slight sanding was needed to remove the barely visible mold seam top and bottom. Once the muzzle brake had set up, I used a sanding twig to carefully remove the join seam on it and then glued it into position before installing the barrel into the mantlet.

After everything had set up properly, I installed the breech first into the upper hull using regular glue to insure a solid bond. The external barrel and mantlet were then glued in place and I applied regular glue to the trunnion pins on the mount, holding the barrel in place to keep my desired pose elevation for a few minutes until the glue caught. I set the upper hull upright off to the side and let gravity do the rest of the work until the glue had fully set up.

Now came the tough part, joining the upper and lower hulls together. The instructions save this to the very next to the last step in the assembly order and that's a recipe for disaster in my opinion. There's an incredible amount of tension at the front hull due to the angled surface of the glacis and the way it joins together with the lower hull and the only way to get a solid join was to approach this in multiple phases. The first phase was to use multiple rubber bands and regular glue to insure the sides mated up properly with the hull sponsons added back in Step 2. At the same time, finger pressure, regular glue, and spot applications of liquid glue were needed at the hull front so there's no way to clamp or use rubber bands easily at that area. I held it with my fingers for a good 10-15 minutes until the glue had caught sufficiently to hold it on its own.

Once the sides had set up thoroughly, additional rubber bands were needed to bring the rear plate and deck into proper alignment.

Once the patient was removed from the traction, I returned to Step 10 and added the PE grills. These fit fairly snugly into their respective positions so only liquid glue was needed to get them to stay in place. This had the added advantage of not running the risk of CA clogging the grills and showing up later when painted.

I also added all of the rear superstructure details from Step 13 and opted to add the rear hull storage box since the vehicle I want to portray, #323 with the sHPzAbt 654 with the striped camo pattern, shows this box installed. I removed the stub antenna post from the antenna mount part M3 and drilled out the rubber base portion with a #72 finger drill so I can mount a brass 2m antenna later on. I also added the two cable clamp bases called for in Step 17 although the cables themselves won't get installed until after the hull is painted.

Rounding out the day's activity, I completed the assembly of the roof plate as directed in Step 14, opting to have all the hatches in the closed position. The instructions contain a small error in this step in that the armored periscope cover on the rotating mount for the rabbit ears scope is incorrectly identified as N9 when it should be N10 since N9 is too small and is already used elsewhere on the roof plate. All of the clear periscopes received the same MM metalizer treatment and were masked with blue tack before their installation.

The fit of the roof plate into the superstructure is a tight one and I used regular glue around the inside of the base combined with liquid glue around the outer edges where the molded on weld seam detail was present to get a good consistent join all around.

Next up will be the addition of the remaining hull exterior details that were skipped before it will be time to start the exterior paint work.

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 8:58 PM

Always love reading your build blogs Bill (boy that was a tongue twister)!

Eric

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 3, 2010 11:52 PM

Thanks Eric, glad to have you onboard! I got a lot done today in particular as my wife spent the day at her parents house so I had the house all to myself and holed up at the bench...day went by pretty fast as a result, one of those rare "in the zone" sessions if you know what I mean. Wink

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, October 4, 2010 5:54 AM

Ahhhh.....at the bench all day and no one home.....just need a coffee pot, a bathroom and some leftover pizza in the microwave halfway thru the day Stick out tongue.

You seemed to move through that one like poop thru a goose.....Fantastic progress. Thank god for rubber bands and small clamps.

I hear the air brush warming up.

Rounds Complete!!

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, October 4, 2010 7:10 AM

Wow, great progress Bill! You're really motoring through this one. Smile

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, October 4, 2010 3:10 PM

Man, you can be so evil! Devil  Like I said I already have the kit B-U-T I didn't plan on building it that soon but it looks like it has been bumped up to the top. LOL  It is always a pleasure reading your posts. Yes

Andy

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, October 4, 2010 6:12 PM

I see you are still chugging along on this one and it looks like what we have come to expect.  Shaping up nicely.

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, October 4, 2010 6:17 PM

Thanks Mike and Nate, appreciate the comments!

Andy, my apologies for the corrupting influence. This kit has some challenges, more than you would expect from a Smart Kit, but nothing a little thought and planning can't overcome. Look forward to seeing your build when you get to it. Beer

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Posted by ACESES5 on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 4:58 PM

Started my Dragon early version Sunday I'm as far as you got the pe screens on last night chassie is done and all painted. going to finish back end of upper hall tonight.              ACESES5Propeller

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:04 PM

A little corruption never hurt... coming along nicly.  Will be watching for more on this one.

Rob

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