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Wooden details.....what's most realistic painting method?

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Wooden details.....what's most realistic painting method?
Posted by KAYSEE88 on Friday, December 24, 2010 4:47 AM

I've read too much on and tried a number of ways to get the appearance of wood on tools, rifles, crates etc.

What is a proven way you've seen or tried that gets that used, dirtied wooden look.??

 

Please kindly share. THANKS IN ADVANCE ! Big Smile

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Friday, December 24, 2010 6:01 AM

Substitute plastic with real wood. Start with simple items like jack blocks & shovel handles. Weather by rolling in fingers with diluted acrylic paint, and dark or dirty brown works well. Remember wear areas stay wood color as dirt and discoloration is attracted to the rest.

For items that remain plastic start with a color that is a light wood color. Any light brown with a bit of yellow added will work, remember wood varies from item to item so do not assemble line paint. Instead alter the mix each item. Once this base coat is dry draw a thinned acrylic red-brown over top in a streaky pattern to simulate grain. Do this fast and random.

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Posted by BeltFed on Friday, December 24, 2010 7:53 AM

I paint it Vellejo Buff then streak unthinned raw sienna oil paint on it with a 0 brush that i cut the bristles 3/4 of the way off.

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, December 24, 2010 4:53 PM

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Saturday, December 25, 2010 3:52 AM

So basically what you want to do from what I gather is to;

Paint the item with a wood color and seal it. Use other colors you would find in a wood then paint a semi dry brushing technique to get streaks with these colors. Seal after each application as to not destroy the work you did. the more applications the more depth and realism. Colors like orange, red, yellow, brown mixed with others to get the correct shade.

As a person who works with wood it sounds like a good way. I build guitars and use a few different woods for the bodies and necks. No two pieces of wood looks the same, even if they were cut from the same tree a few inches apart.

The key here to me is to decide what type of wood you're using. For instance if it were mahogany you would want a reddish brown color overall, although some have more orange and some more medium brown. Pine is a light white yellow that becomes honey colored with age if a finish is applied. Same for Ash and some maples which can start off white and change with age into beautiful natural colors with awesome grain. Alder is a very light brown in some cases with very very light mocha streaks. And so on.

I guess if we are talking about shovels for instance the older ones were probably northern ash which is a very hard wood. It's kind of white at first and turns into a honey color in time like maple and pine if finished. There's a softer swamp ash too. But I think the cheapest and strongest of the hardwood used in tools was northern ash, they were also very heavy woods.

I doubt they had any finish on the handles of the tools other then OD green if it were US Army stuff. Once the paint wore off I'm sure at one time they were made to paint it again. The metal parts were where you had the wear. That part would be a few shades of green to bright steel.

Crates were not painted and it looked like they used a light weight pine or whatever scraps the company that made the crates had around. It was going to be thrown away so very little care went into making ammo crates at that time. You can see the open grain of the wood because of having no finish. Anything from white pine to a slight brown, yellow or orange color is OK. But the basic color would be a yellowish, I guess you would call it light buff or sand, cream, off white, it's hard to describe the color of raw wood. So many names for color these days.

Wood left out in the rain for a while and then dried by the sun quickly becomes a gray color. So you would see some of that too. Although I guess in Vietnam for instance the sun just bleached everything. Sun can bleach things to the point of having little pigment left. So anything in the desert or Vietnam would retain it's bleached out color. If it were Europe I would think the boxes would be grayish and dirty brown from the soil.

Stocks of a rifle like the M-1 Garand were Walnut which is a dark brown. They used an oil finish and that got a nice patina over time. I would use a dark brown with a little red in there and little streaks, but very little. It would be a satin finish on it not matt or flat. Same for a pre war Tommy gun, the carbine looked like it was made from a cheaper wood as did the later Tommy guns made during the war and more of a matt finish. M14s had nice stocks too.

I am right now actually working on a diorama with some wood items and will be experimenting with that technique myself. I guess you need a lot of patience to do a little work, let it dry, clear coat, let it dry and so all for a door or gun stock.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:09 AM

SWANNY"S site has a great tutorial on the subject. Look "Getting wood" in the "techniques" section.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Saturday, December 25, 2010 10:19 AM

I've got to save this thread since I got a new model for Christmas I will have to paint large pieces wood.

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:40 PM

I have doing some research and one issue is scale. I'm experimenting with what the human eye can pick up and what our brain ignores. I find that too much detail confuses the issue. Some times it's better to just give the idea and not go down to too much detail.

Yes detail looks great when taken in certain high resolution pictures but what does our mind actually see. And as an artist what do you want it to see? Too much detail on everything overloads the mind and it becomes tedious to look at. Yes the amazing detail is great but for me it's the overall affect to the senses.

I'm trying to find that fine line and develop my skills within those boundaries. I can easily take an end table for example and using a steel brush and some paint make it look really old. Years ago I did that with some wood and furniture to make my condo look Southwest/Western decorated, it even made the local newspaper.

But how can you do this with something in 1/35 scale? The big question is do you really want to. Yes you want to get it to look like wood but does it look like wood by a person viewing it a few feet away, that's what I am going to strive for. Yes it's amazing to have a closeup high resolution picture that looks real but does that transfer into actually viewing it normally? I don't really have an answer yet.

I have looked at many dioramas on the internet and have seen some amazing work. But some were so amazing as to overload my brain and for some reason I had no interest in looking at it more then once. So does the term "Less is more" apply here?

I think one thing we all have to remember is that in reality we are all artists first and technicians second and should work with that in mind.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, December 27, 2010 8:49 AM

But how can you do this with something in 1/35 scale? The big question is do you really want to. Yes you want to get it to look like wood but does it look like wood by a person viewing it a few feet away, that's what I am going to strive for. Yes it's amazing to have a closeup high resolution picture that looks real but does that transfer into actually viewing it normally? I don't really have an answer yet.

I do..

Paint it as if someone you don't know is going to be looking at it from a normal viewing distance of about two feet...  Unless your primary purpose is, as you stated, to take high-res photos (and publish or post them) and get a lot of "oohs & ahhs", I wouldn't sweat it...  Also, the human eye can't focus (unaided) on anything closer than about four inches away, so I'd use that as "detail yardstick"...

Anything else is purely for your own enjoyment (and there's nothing wrong with that), since it's pretty much wasted on anyone else...

Stuff like pioneer tool handles and ammo crates are pretty well beat-up if they've been in the field longer than a few days, and tools get repainted over & over... We painted ours with whatever dark color was lying around, and also added the gun-chief's own personal color... Mine were all OD with a spot of white painted on the handles..

Ammo crates, If they're new, then the ammo's still in the trucks, and if they're old, it's because the crew has kept a couple for stowage boxes, and they're "weathered" pretty good...  Especially those used to stow stuff like bore-cleaner and a bore-brush for a main gun... Lots were even collected, turned back into the ASP, and wound up getting painted and packed with new ammo (they got repainted if the ammo going in was different than what had been packed originally)  A wood ammo crate might go through a dozen repaints to cover up old stenciling before it was too beat up...

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