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What drunk German Physicist thought this one up ?!?!?!
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:31 PM

I am doing Dragons Sd.Kfz. 251 Ausf C (#6187), and while I thought Trump's indy links were a pain, they got nuttin on the Dragon !!!! I can totally see committing myself to an insane asylum when I'm done w/these little #@$%^&'s !!!!!

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:47 PM

I hear you. That's why I bought the AFV limited 251/D w/Pak 40. They have the individual tracks Dead and they have these beautiful one-piece glueable type like the later Tamiya kits. Excellent detail. I will probably dump my indies on ebay or something.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:09 PM

Dont be too quick to dump your indy links Tigerman. The AFV one piece tracks I have used so far have all disintegrated within a year or so of being painted and put on a kit...Angry

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:44 PM

stikpusher

Dont be too quick to dump your indy links Tigerman. The AFV one piece tracks I have used so far have all disintegrated within a year or so of being painted and put on a kit...Angry

Super Angry Say it ain't so. (sorry Karl).

How do you paint your tracks? That hasn't happened to me..........yet.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:11 AM

Speaking of whom... there was a big Ardennes dio in the latest FSM where the guy used baking soda for snow.

Somewhere a redheaded guitar player is (gently) weeping....

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:01 AM

Fear not the Dragon 251 indy track.  Make this easy little jig with 2 strips of balsa glued to and piece with the space just wide enough to hold the guide horn snug.  Assemble all the links then go back with a tiny drop of glue in each hole for the pad. Fully workable tracks in a heartbeat.

A little heads up.  When you glue in the front axle, do it with the wheels on and, most important, on the tracks as shown.  If not the front wheels may float in mid air.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:04 AM

The Drunken German Physicists Union takes issue with the title of this thread!! Whistling

Every so often I catch myself checking out some crazy piece of German armour, and then I think... but do I reallllly want to assemble tracks??

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Posted by EasyMike on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:08 AM

VanceCrozier
...The Drunken German Physicists Union takes issue with the title of this thread!! Whistling...

I agree.  What would a physicist of any nationality, sober or otherwise, have to do with your aftermarket tracks?

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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:58 AM

maybe he means a psychic ?..WhistlingEats

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:01 AM

bondoman

Speaking of whom... there was a big Ardennes dio in the latest FSM where the guy used baking soda for snow.

Somewhere a redheaded guitar player is (gently) weeping....

He did say he mixed it with something else.Maybe it will be OK!

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:24 AM

Its revenge for the results of WWII (The Big One).Hmm

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:44 AM

wing_nut

Fear not the Dragon 251 indy track.  Make this easy little jig with 2 strips of balsa glued to and piece with the space just wide enough to hold the guide horn snug.  Assemble all the links then go back with a tiny drop of glue in each hole for the pad. Fully workable tracks in a heartbeat.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/251build-1.jpg

A little heads up.  When you glue in the front axle, do it with the wheels on and, most important, on the tracks as shown.  If not the front wheels may float in mid air.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/Armor/Sn850103.jpg

That is wicked cool. I cant help but hear  " when you can take fly from hand, Grasshopper...."

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:39 PM

"... while my guitar gently weeps..."

oops, different band...

Well I had read about how enamels and their thinners attacked that new gluable soft stuff so I went with acrylics. Model Master Acryls IIRC. I think I used different methods on those, hand brushed and airbrushed. Thinned with distilled water for hand brushing and with Testors MM Acryl thinner for airbrushing. And within a year (sometimes less, sometimes longer) or so, the tracks had contracted and snapped in a few spots. This has happened on to me Tamiya and AFV gluable tracks. Not too nice to see your work needing replacement tracks well after construction is done...

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:23 PM

I usually prime mine with Tamiya black out of a rattle-can and then use acrylics over that. So far, so good.

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Posted by constructor on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:15 PM

stikpusher

Dont be too quick to dump your indy links Tigerman. The AFV one piece tracks I have used so far have all disintegrated within a year or so of being painted and put on a kit...Angry

I have been raving about this very often in the past. I think the formulation of their tracks also with those wheel inserts they use reacts with paint specially with enamels. It causes hem to melt not only the material but also during the reaction which gives off heat, it also melt the plastic around them. The same goes with Academy. The idea of black plastics instead of the vinyl type was a very good solution.

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:23 PM

brutus1175

 wing_nut:

Fear not the Dragon 251 indy track.  Make this easy little jig with 2 strips of balsa glued to and piece with the space just wide enough to hold the guide horn snug.  Assemble all the links then go back with a tiny drop of glue in each hole for the pad. Fully workable tracks in a heartbeat.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/251build-1.jpg

A little heads up.  When you glue in the front axle, do it with the wheels on and, most important, on the tracks as shown.  If not the front wheels may float in mid air.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/Armor/Sn850103.jpg

 

That is wicked cool. I cant help but hear  " when you can take fly from hand, Grasshopper...."

I'm so stealing this.  I've got several Bronco Workable track kits and they don't seem to be terribly workable.  I'll use unpainted original kit tracks until I can master these.

Thanks for the tip and the photos.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:59 PM

constructor
It causes hem to melt not only the material but also during the reaction which gives off heat, it also melt the plastic around them. The same goes with Academy. The idea of black plastics instead of the vinyl type was a very good solution.

It's not so much a  matter of heat, - it's the plasticiser (which keeps them flexible) in the vinyl parts interacting with the "regular" styrene parts around them, softening and apparently melting those parts.

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Posted by constructor on Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:32 AM

Phil_H

 constructor:
It causes hem to melt not only the material but also during the reaction which gives off heat, it also melt the plastic around them. The same goes with Academy. The idea of black plastics instead of the vinyl type was a very good solution.

It's not so much a  matter of heat, - it's the plasticiser (which keeps them flexible) in the vinyl parts interacting with the "regular" styrene parts around them, softening and apparently melting those parts.

If we know the answer how come they dont do something about it? Don't they test their products? It's us finding out about it the hard way. Thanks for the info Phil.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 1, 2011 5:57 PM

@ MAJMike - THAT WORKED LIKE A CHARM !!! Thanks so much for sharing !!  Toast

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Friday, April 1, 2011 6:13 PM

brutus1175

@ MAJMike - THAT WORKED LIKE A CHARM !!! Thanks so much for sharing !!  Toast

I wish I could take credit, but that was Wingnut's idea, method, and photos. Credit where credit is due, please. Wink

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 1, 2011 6:45 PM

you're right, and I totally apologize for not paying closer attention. Wingnut - fully workable tracks, thank you...

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, April 2, 2011 5:16 PM

Glad it helped.

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Posted by Voidses on Saturday, April 2, 2011 5:28 PM

Like any German  physicist could invent something that simple

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:09 PM

Wingnut, I looked @ your Ausf C, she looks really good. Nice "n" worn....

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