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would like help on weathering armor

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  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: clinton twp, michigan
would like help on weathering armor
Posted by camo junkie on Monday, April 11, 2011 4:26 PM

i guess more specifically dirtying armor with dust/dirt. i've seen many modelers do it whether through airbrushing or using pigments or even washes. the problem is is that while i viewed many of these i always though it too difficult to try....well, now i want to try. are there any tutorials avail. that anyone knows of. im trying to "up the ante" with my armor modeling. any help would be greatly appreciated guys.

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  • Member since
    March 2006
Posted by TD4438 on Monday, April 11, 2011 4:35 PM

It doesn't get any easier than with Tamiya weathering kits.Unless you clearcoat the stuff,you can wipe it off if you don't like the results.

  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Spokane, WA
Posted by Hun Hunter on Monday, April 11, 2011 4:59 PM

I was a little intimidated by pigments too but I finally ordered some by Mig last week. I applied some dry with a makeup applicator and really, really liked the results. That has to be the easiest way to apply them but the only way to learn is to try. I plan on experimenting more with them on my current kit.

And yes, very forgiving and easy to remove.

There are some that call me... Nash

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Monday, April 11, 2011 8:39 PM

With that in mind you must understand that unless the pigments are set they can come off, and if you look at the longevity of an expensive model in a case or on the shelf, inevitably they are going to get dust on them, and need to be cleaned.

I've been building since 1977, and many of my models have required cleaning at which point the "Pigments" would come off.

Whats mind boggling to me is that everyone buys into the marketing like "Pigments"  fell out of the sky yesterday, while myself and other decades long model builders have been using fine artists pastels (ground down) for decades and not calling them "Pigments".  If you go to a real art store they will have every conceivable hue of sienna (for instance) which would be used for rust. Far more shades than Mig could ever produce and stay in business, and a pastel stick would give you about four times as much as one shade in a Tamiya weathering kit for that particular shade.

I really prefer to use Grumbacher or W&N artist oils which permanently set with odorless mineral spirits, if dust is requires I will airbrush a very diluted base color coat to trim contrast before the oils. I just did an Eighth Army desert dio which required just that.

 

Just things to consider.

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: clinton twp, michigan
Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:15 AM

thanks guys...will consider everything said. appreciate the help.

"An idea is only as good as the person who thought of it...and only as brilliant as the person who makes it!!"
  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Spokane, WA
Posted by Hun Hunter on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:15 PM

Wilbur, you've been building longer than I've been alive, like I said I plan on experimenting with them as well. I tried normal pastel pigments, fiddled a bit with them and had poor results. The pre-made stuff makes my life easier as I can simply order an exact pigment, online, and know pretty much what I'm getting. Cost a little more? Yes. Save me time so I can actually fit in some building? Yes.

I love cheaper and scratch built stuff too, it's a lot of fun, but I'm willing to pay for time savers.

There are some that call me... Nash

  • Member since
    April 2011
  • From: PL
Posted by KFS-miniatures on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:08 AM

pastels and pigments are really not the same. and what's more, pigments from different manufactures have diferent properties. for example, pigments from mig are the best fos soft dust, but if you want to made some structural mud od the vehicle, vallejo's pigments are better, due their particles size. For airbrushin i'm using only pigments from art-shop. pigments from mig can be applyied on the surface with rubbing with a soft brush. It is impossible with vallejo's and art pigments.

for 'shining' edges soft stencil (8B) is great, but sometimes, for example if you are working about track links, metallic pigment applied with a finger gives better reslt. etc.

so.. there are no 'the only and the best' procuct for weathering. It is necessary to mix different techniques and materials to get realistic look.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

~kamil

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