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Panzer III GB Feeler
Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:39 AM

Guys,

Several Armor Group Builds are expected to end on June 30th so I think it will be a good timing to start a new one after that.  Dupes did an outstanding job leading Panzer IV and its variants back in 2009.  Yes

So I thought it would be great if we can do  Panzer III and its variants GB.  There are so plenty of choices for us...

  • Panzer III Ausf. A, B, C, D - Pre-production models in 1937-1938.
  • Panzer III Ausf. E, F - Production models 1939-1940.
  • Panzer III Ausf. G - More armour on gun mantlet. Produced in 1940-1941.
  • Panzer III Ausf. H - Bolt-on armor added to front and rear hull. Produced in 1940-1941.
  • Panzer III Ausf. I - Variant mentioned in Allied intelligence reports but not an actual existing vehicle.
  • Panzer III Ausf. J - The hull was lengthened. Front armor increased. Produced in 1941.
  • Panzer III Ausf. J¹ - Equipped with the longer and more powerful gun. Produced in late 1941-1942.
  • Panzer III Ausf. K - Panzerbefehlswagen command tank variant with a modified turret.
  • Panzer III Ausf. L - Uparmored to 50 mm + 20 mm plates. Produced in 1942.
  • Panzer III Ausf. M - Minor modifications such as deep-wading exhaust and schurzen. 1942-1943.
  • Panzer III Ausf. N - Armed with a short barreled gun, re-equipped J/L/M models in 1942-1943.

And its variants...

  • Artillerie-Panzerbeobachtungswagen III - Forward artillery observer tank.
  • Bergepanzer III - In 1944 some Panzer IIIs were converted to armoured recovery vehicles.
  • Flammpanzer III Ausf. M / Panzer III (F1) - Flamethrower tank. Converted from Panzer III Ausf. M.
  • Minenräumer III - Mineclearing vehicle based on a Panzer III chassis with a very highly raised suspension. (Prototype only)
  • Panzerbefehlswagen III - Command tank. Heavier armor, dummy gun, and long-range radios.
  • Sturm-Infanteriegeschütz 33B - A close-support, Assault gun.  Only 24 built.
  • Sturmgeschütz (StuG) III - Assault gun / tank destroyer armed with a 75-millimetre StuK.
  • The Soviet SU-76i self-propelled gun was based on the chassis of captured German Panzer III and StuG III.
  • Tauchpanzer III - Some tanks were converted to "diving tanks" for Operation Sealion.

Since we are talking about 15 models and 9 variant (many more under StuG), the GB will go on for a full year from July 1, 2011 to June 30, 2012.  It would be GREAT if we can have each model built just like we saw in Marder Madness mini-GB earlier.  So that way we can see all models and its variants at once at the end.

So I am sending out GB feeler to see if it is getting enough interest so I can get it started at GB forum.  I know few buddies are already interested and it will be FUN because there are four less wheels to worry about this time! Stick out tongue  Just let me know... thanks! Beer

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Andy

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Posted by detailfreak on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:51 AM

                                Of course I'm in.Cool

                                                                  Greg"Detailfreak"RowleyYes

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:53 AM

Hey Andy,

Well, you know I'm already in Stick out tongue

I've even decided on my build:

The Tamiya Panzer III Ausf. N (kit #35290) that comes with metal turned barrel & PE grills so I'd just want Friuls. I love the Leningrad Winter scheme ('42-'43) on the Tamiya box art like shown below; but the Kursk Summer scheme ('43) is nice too in a colourful way! Either way I'd want a vehicle shown serving on the Eastern Front.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/tamiya/tam35290.html

This could be a great GB for us all especially with all these variants to choose from! There could be some very interesting builds appearing! I'm also just building the StuG III B (for the second time) so I have stacks of Panzer III spares Yes

ATVB

Ben Toast

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:25 AM

Greg, I am glad to have you aboard!  For sure StuG III F will be one of my builds for this GB.  I hope to build two or three. Stick out tongue

Ben, thanks for the words of encouragement... now the feeler is sent out finally.  I got you down for Tamiya Ausf N.  It looks pretty good! Yes  I have Dragon kit but will wait and see which Ausf is still open after the GB rolls out so I can order one.

Andy

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:54 AM

deafpanzer

Greg, I am glad to have you aboard!  For sure StuG III F will be one of my builds for this GB.  I hope to build two or three. Stick out tongue

Ben, thanks for the words of encouragement... now the feeler is sent out finally.  I got you down for Tamiya Ausf N.  It looks pretty good! Yes  I have Dragon kit but will wait and see which Ausf is still open after the GB rolls out so I can order one.

Cheers Andy,

I've just ordered my Panzer III N as my kit stash is looking pretty meagre now that the StuG is nearly done and the box gone. All I have left now is the Dragon Firefly but that's not a bad kit to be the only one left in the stash! Cool

I'll want some Friuls but no rush for them and at least I haven't got to worry about sourcing an AM barrel. I might even try MK tracks for once on this Panzer III?

I'm looking forward to this GB - it should be fun! Stick out tongue

ATVB

Ben Toast

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Posted by satch_ip on Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:07 AM

Oh Hell yeah!  I'm in!

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:22 AM

I'll give it a shot.  I'll do either a late model Panzer or a StuG III either in 1/35th by Tamiya.

 

 

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:01 PM

I'll do a 1/35th Panzer III L with the 50mm gun by Tamiya.

All I've got to do is start and complete my Maus for the Odd Animals GB.

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:20 PM

Count me in Andy,the long timeframe is great,I can start later this year and still have plenty of time.Either my old DML "G" or the new smart kit "H" will be my entry.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:33 PM

This is looking great so far!!! 

Satch ip-  I have you on my list.  Just let me know which model you want to build.  Great to have you back! Yes

Mike- Glad you are joining aboard... now this is going to be FUN too!  I got you down for Ausf L.  We have plenty of time for you to finish your current GB.  I'd even let you paint #229 on your Panzer III...

Anthony-  Why was I not surprised that you'd be with us? Big Smile  Am so glad you are!  Just let me know which Ausf G or H.  We can always wait and see what others have then you will pick one that is still open.  Yes, I like when GBs last for a full year just like Korea War and Ostfront GBs... remember I build at very slow pace. Stick out tongue

Andy

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:36 PM

Actually, I was thinking "229" for the Maus.  It is basically a "papre Panzer" afteralll.

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, April 30, 2011 1:55 PM

I'd love to, but i'd probably not get it done. I do have the old G in the stash, but was hoping for a new smart kit since Dragon appears to be upgrading all their older kits.

I will follow with the interest of kid on Christmas Eve.

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 Eric 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 3:18 PM

Tigerman, maybe you still can join us becase I can assign you Ausf I. Big Smile  There was none but the Allies Intelligence had it listed.  Am afraid our intelligence hasn't improved over time... anyway plenty of time for you to consider. 

Guys, I looked everywhere... there may not be model kits for Ausf A, B, C, and D.  Any chance do you know if there are any? 

Of course, there is none for  I... the invisible one.   And there is only one kit for Ausf M by Tamiya but how accurate is it?   The kit box says Ausf M/N...

 

Andy

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:26 PM

Andy-I'll be following this one closely.  Given the longer time frame, I should be able to sign up but I don't want to commit until I'm sure.  Hopefully I'll have things completed by fall and can jump in.

Bob

 

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Posted by Chazzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:02 PM

I have never done a GB. My skill levels are just so-so. Do I pick a kit, build it, show wip photos? I would like to try it. I just have to find the right kit and then I let you know what I'm building, right? 

 

Chazzer(Scott)

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Posted by M1 A1 A2 Tanker on Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:33 PM

Oh, Man! Not another GB to join.

Ok, I'm in.

Tamiya 1/48 Panzer III Ausf. L.

Another opportunity to try paint chipping.

 

See ya

Scott

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:37 PM

My research indicates that a Panzer III L from the 10th Panzer Division DAF will be historically accurate.  Your start time provides plenty of time to gather paint, etc.

Hit up anyone for a GB badge yet?  My Photoshop skills are even worse than my modeling skills (if that can be imagined), so I can't help with that.

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:36 PM

deafpanzer

Tigerman, maybe you still can join us becase I can assign you Ausf I. Big Smile  There was none but the Allies Intelligence had it listed.  Am afraid our intelligence hasn't improved over time... anyway plenty of time for you to consider. 

Guys, I looked everywhere... there may not be model kits for Ausf A, B, C, and D.  Any chance do you know if there are any? 

Of course, there is none for  I... the invisible one.   And there is only one kit for Ausf M by Tamiya but how accurate is it?   The kit box says Ausf M/N...

 

I admit that I'd like to do an Afrika Korps vehicle and this among the best in the stash. Let me think about it sir and I'll get back to you.

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Posted by Hun Hunter on Saturday, April 30, 2011 7:28 PM

I always tentatively commit to group builds but never follow through, but now things should actually settle down over the Summer.... it'd also give me a reason to build a Panzer III to go with my German section (have Panzer IV through King Tiger).

I would be interested, I'm totally converted to armor and I think I'll have the time.

There are some that call me... Nash

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, April 30, 2011 7:58 PM

Hun Hunter

I always tentatively commit to group builds but never follow through, but now things should actually settle down over the Summer.... it'd also give me a reason to build a Panzer III to go with my German section (have Panzer IV through King Tiger).

I would be interested, I'm totally converted to armor and I think I'll have the time.

Welcome to the Dark Side! Welcome Sign

 

 

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Posted by Chazzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:13 PM

 

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is cool

Scott

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:43 PM

WOW!  This is looking great... safe to say there is plenty of interest.  OK, I will post official Panzer III GB later this week as we still have two months to place orders or do research like I like to. 

Bob- You are always welcome to jump anytime! Yes

Chazzer- Your skill levels really doesn't matter to me... having fun modeling is what really counts.  Everybody does different in GBs... some do WIPs while others don't until the end.  We all love to see the process so posting more pictures would be great. Yes you get to pick the kit you want to build as long as it fits the goal. 

Scott- Awesome!!! That Tamiya 1/48 should be fun to watch...

Mike-  No badge yet... but already have one in mind and I am going to ask my beloved wife to help because she is pretty good at Photoshop.  Heck, I gave her Photoshop for Christmas because she wanted it.  Too romantic? Tongue Tied  Funny I was thinking about doing DAF thing too...

Tigerman- Afrika Korps vehicles sound way too good... Big Smile

Hun Hunter-  Looks like timing is perfect for you. Welcome aboard!  I am doing the same but not really in an order.  Will be working on Panzer IV in few weeks... Indifferent

 

 

Andy

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:36 AM

deafpanzer
And there is only one kit for Ausf M by Tamiya but how accurate is it?   The kit box says Ausf M/N... 

This one is pretty old and dates back to the early(?) 70's. It's been long discontinued.

But there is another... Again, it is more than likely discontinued, but I come across it now and then even here in Australia. Dragon's Ausf.M/N (#9015) in their Imperial series which may also be found in a Revell reboxing.

EDIT: I believe there are several CyberHobby releases of Ausf.M variants too.

I may join in with a Dragon Tauchpanzer III Ausf.H. Smile

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Posted by Hun Hunter on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:44 AM

I might have to do a Stug, I love tank destroyers. I just finished up my last build so I might use the time from now to June to build an Allied destroyer to go with it... oh the possibilities. That's why I think I'm loving armor so much, there is a great deal of variety. That and the scale, 1/35 is perfect. When I go back to dabble with aircraft I think I'll have to do 1/32.

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, May 1, 2011 6:37 AM

Hey Andy,

I'd like to get in on this one also, but I have two GB's in front of this one to finish first. Given the time frame, I'm sure I can join in. I'll probably do an early III from Dragon's new Smart kit releases.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:02 AM

I'm in. 

Not sure what yet, but I'm leaning heavily toward the Dragon/Cyber-Hobby Ausf. L Vorpanzer...

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:06 AM

Hun Hunter

I might have to do a Stug, I love tank destroyers. I just finished up my last build so I might use the time from now to June to build an Allied destroyer to go with it... oh the possibilities. That's why I think I'm loving armor so much, there is a great deal of variety. That and the scale, 1/35 is perfect. When I go back to dabble with aircraft I think I'll have to do 1/32.

You know, I've been finding 1/32 aircraft a lot more fun than 1/48. Working on a 1/48 ICM LaGG-3 right now, and I'm just having a really hard time getting excited about it. 

There are a few exceptions, of course. Tamiya's Mustangs are world's better than any being offered in 1/32. Same with their Corsairs. I hope maybe they'll get over their Spitfire obsession soon and bring us something else in 1/32 shortly.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by Chazzer on Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:21 AM

Deafpanzer, Just a quick question(stupid?) Just to make sure, this is a group build and will be followed and posted in GB?

 

Thanks

Scott

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:25 AM

Chazzer- It will be posted in GB forum.  It is a feeler so It was posted here in Armor.  For sure we will do the Panzer III GB and I will start a new post in GB later this week. 

Guys-  This is really looking good so far!  I have to work today... yes on Sunday special event at Indiana School f/t Deaf Angry... outside in the rain. Storm  I will get back to you guys later tonight.  Later...

Andy

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:27 AM

Am I to understand that once someone declares they want to build a particular variant,then only one person will build that particular one ? If that is the case,my 1st choice would be te G,if you award it to someone else,then I will do the H .

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