I want to show y'all something, this is the message I got from Sherman1111.

Thank you for sticking up for me, but my decision to quit the forum is a long time coming, the threads just repeat them selves in 3 month cycles and there a a click of posters that control the forum. I enjoy other boards where people scratch build original models and work with resin. this just seems to be people trying to raise there posts and it just gets old. as for the first guys comments, I wanted to call him a troll , but the thread would have been closed down and I would have been no better than him. even the magazine is getting stale and I can buy a lot of parts for what I pay for it. I spend most of my time on Aromarama, and a web site in Austraila, sorry for my spelling. I have also been censored for giving bad reviews on companys that advertize (sp), but you are beating your head against the wall with some of these guys. I am deleteing my short cut to this site and that is it. Hope to see you on another web site

You have the right to disagree with me and I know the true story about the hummer and it's history plus I was in the military too. I also know people who served in both wars.

I made a comment that they were idiots and I will say what I want to here.

Dude you do not RUN this place and You Are NOT the finescale model police.

I have seen this before from you and it makes me laugh, all forums have them and you're it. Typical.....

I'm so scared of you and your threats...NOT. I don't care if they throw me off, it's not that important. If this is that important to you, good luck with that....LOL.

I'll have any attitude I WANT to, it's called a free country as far as I know in the USA. Isn't that why we served in the military? Freedom of speech.....or is that not in the Constitution, something we protected by serving and something you and your types always seem to try and deny. YOU are one of the reasons that guy Sherman1111 left here and so many others have too. I have also seen you on other forums pull the same stuff. I watch your posts and know what you are about.

So that's my opinion and I am entitled to it. I won't question your knowledge about things, you do know a lot but you are just obnoxious and to me a joke.

Sorry, I still disagree with you.  I have been active duty Army for over 17 years.  I can attest that we have the best equipment in the world.  It may take a while to figure out that in the long run, but we still do. 

 I can also speak about the HMMWV issue with personal involvement.  Until we started having issues in Iraq with IEDs (which we had never faced before) in late '03 , there was no need for an uparmored HMMWV.  Unfortunately, the enemy gets a vote and you have to adapt to his tactics sometimes.  Once the threat was identified, we started producing uparmored kits.  Once that happened, the kits were flowing into Iraq and being installed.  Unfortunately, thats how it works.  The HMMWV was never designed to be an armored patrol vehicle.  It was simply a carry-all Jeep successor.

Your sour attitude is not appreciated here and truthfully detracts from modeling.  It borders on violating the forum's policies on politics.  If you want to keep spewing bovine scatology about the military procurement system, do it some place else.

The 240s came in on the M1 Abrams, I used to see the Tankers carry them all the time at Ft. Knox. The Marine tankers carried funny looking M60s.

I have very strong feelings about all the poor guys who died because of those idiots, like the ones who did not upgrade Humvees with extra armor and would not until pressured from the people of the USA. And the whole m16 fiasco in Vietnam.

So excuse me when my feelings about the dead and maimed soldiers come through all because of some idiot who made a decision based on lack of common sense or the money he's putting in his swiss bank account.

It was doomed from the start; based on a flawed captured ZSU-27-4 Shilka that we studied.

We would have been better off going with the Gepard, but at the time, no lawmaker would have supported a defense bill that included buying a "not made in the US" vehicle. It wasn't until the late 80s where we were allowed to buy foreign government's equipment for use in the Army like the M240, Fox, IDF mine plow, etc.

Gee, never meant to get in the middle of an arguement. By 'boondoggle' just meant it seemed like a pretty useful weapon system on paper, too bad it never worked out with the real thing.  

Oh ya , ther's been some of  them boondoggles we tax payers foot the bill for ,  but something must be going correctly , i'm not speaking Chinese or Russian ! .........

If you really want to read about a boondoggle read about the history of the M551. The real history, when I read that I wondered how the hell could Patton Jr and Gen. Abrams send that POS to Vietnam let alone Germany.

One hit and it turned into molten aluminum with the crew inside.

At least we only wasted a billion dollars on the York. Look at this POS called the F-35 they are sticking everybody with.

The funniest story for me is the search for a GPMG in the 1950s. We chose the M60 while most everybody else the FN MAG. Well when we needed to replace the M60 we did it with the M240.........which is the FN MAG....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great looking job! Love the weathering, dust, and boot prints.

There's one in the tank museum in Danville, Virginia as well. Too bad the thing turned out to be such a massive boondoggle.......

Great looking vehicle, it should have entered service in 1955 not looking at 1980. SGT. York rolled over in his grave......

You did a wonderful job on it!!!!

Thanks every one for your interest and comments !!!!

For more reference here are some additional picures i took of the Sgt. York on display at Yume Proving Grounds .......................it has little different configuration on rear from the model .

redleg12

Very nice....love the footprints. Now we see the very nice reflective tape soooo....what did you use for the lenses, always lloking for better ideas!

Yes, this is a colostomy form my military era. The guys on this devlopment program should have been shot!! The perfect example of a good idea poorly implemented.

Rounds Complete!!

And i'm glad to share my discoveries . I bought this stuff at a dollar store , I like shopping there for odds and ends , if it dont work out then there isnt much lost . Anyway it was in the party decorations section . Its fairly stiff and easy to work with . I attached it with Krystal Klear .........that gave me time to get it in position .

HeavyArty

I see it now.  That is some very reflective ribbon.  Nice job on it.

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Dang fine work Carl!

IIRC the hottest thing about this kit was that it updated the M48 hull into an M48A5 with the later style tracks, air cleaners and headlights. As mentioned in the Vietnam armor thread, modern armor modelers were always trying to modernize available models into current armor.

Thanks Carl. It was a lot of fun.

Yes, I do recall the failure of this system at one time hearing that the rotating ventilators were on the range latrine building.

redleg12

Very nice....love the footprints. Now we see the very nice reflective tape soooo....what did you use for the lenses, always lloking for better ideas!

Yes, this is a colostomy form my military era. The guys on this devlopment program should have been shot!! The perfect example of a good idea poorly implemented.

Rounds Complete!!

I remeber the 60 Minutes episode that many believe was the final nail in this thing's coffin.  The Army set up a demonstration whereby the Sergeant York system would show how it could automatically shoot down a drone helicopter as the computer hooked up to the targetting radar was programmed to lock on to the whirling blades and commence firing.

On cue the drone popped up over a nearby ridge and the turret snapped around 90 degrees to the left from the drone and commenced to blow the ventillator off a nearby building as everyone dove for cover.  When the commanding officer was asked if he considered this a successful test he said aside from a slight targetting error the system performed well within it's parameters.

Don't remeber who the 60 Minutes reporter was but might have been Morley Safer.  Very nice build and paint job by the way!

                                                                                                           Pat.

Very nice....love the footprints. Now we see the very nice reflective tape soooo....what did you use for the lenses, always lloking for better ideas!

Yes, this is a colostomy form my military era. The guys on this devlopment program should have been shot!! The perfect example of a good idea poorly implemented.

Rounds Complete!!

I see it now.  That is some very reflective ribbon.  Nice job on it.

Thats a good looking Sgt. York Kevin !

About the decision not to go forward with M247 , it was due to its overall poor performance , both in the outdated capabilities of the M48 chasis and in the poor performance of the radar tracking / electronics . It didnt help that on a display of the M247 in front of a group of dignitaries the guns immediately locked on the group , sending them diving for shelter ! No rounds were fired ......but that aint no way to win a contract !

Sea

I too built this kit years ago and I very much like what you've done to yours! Good dusting all around but especially up on top.

Altho it was good to see the M48 chassis rebuilt and resurected, I never understood the reasoning behind that decision. I like the looks of it on the M1 chassis... at least that would've kept up with the rest of the battle group.

Great job on yours and thanks for posting. Fun kit to build.

http://www.mortarsinminiature.com/images/Other%20Models/US%20M247-1.jpg

http://www.mortarsinminiature.com/images/Other%20Models/US%20M247-2.jpg

Thanks everyone for taking a look and your comments have been appreciated !

I built the model and its sitting here in front of me . Those are not wipppers .

Maybe this will help clarify. Red arrows show whats being reflected .

Here's a closer look .

Here's another angle without the reflection of the 2 objects .

Yet another picture with the reflection of another object that could look like a whipper , but the angle of the ghost " whipper " is different  and know there is only one ghost "whipper" blade .

Sea

bloody awesome!

Nice job Shellback. I like the "walked all over" effect.

HeavyArty

I am talking about this pic.  It looks like either the molded on wipers or wrinkles in the ribbon.

Hey Gino,

I could be wrong, but in light of the OP using reflective film on the ports, it does look like a (slightly distorted) reflection of the two moulded ridges in the right front corner of the pic. Perhaps the pic was taken at just the right angle to catch that reflection? I though it looked like wipers too at first.

Very nice.I always liked this AFV.

I was gonna say that turret would look awesome on an Abrams hull.

Hi, Carl, I do indeed remember this kit, I did see inside the box but never owned or built one, don't know why because its unusual and certainly cool, two criteria I look for in a kit.

You certainly have done justice to a golden oldie in your usual manner, brilliant work again.

Terry.

I am talking about this pic.  It looks like either the molded on wipers or wrinkles in the ribbon.

I was in the army at the time that vehicle was being looked at. I said it was a dog from day one. Outdated guns on an old chassis with an F16 radar.......bad ideas all around. Our M113s could not keep up with the M1A1 how could that?

But it looks great, nice looking build.

Why we didn't just use the M1 chassis with the German/Swiss dual 35mm turret I'll never know.