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Disappearing mount plans
Posted by saransk on Friday, June 24, 2011 3:12 PM

Are there any place that sells detailed plans or drawings of the disappearing gun mounts used by the US Coast Artillery.  Looking for the ones that typically mounted 10" or 12" rifles.  They were emplaced all over the world, and pictures are easy to find, but dimensionally correct drawings are very difficult to find.

Thanks

mike

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Posted by TomZ2 on Friday, June 24, 2011 5:56 PM

Took longer to type this sentence than to run the search:

[location: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/10-inch-D1896-cutaway.jpg]

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Posted by saransk on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:22 PM

I have this drawing, as well as more detailed drawings of the Buffington-Crozier design as well as several others including British and French designs.  There are several pictures on the CDSG site as well as lists of surviving guns.  Only a few of the original disappearing guns mounts remain today.  For the most part only the concrete emplacements remain.  Many of the Fort sites have historical pictures.  There are even pictures of the 14" guns mounted on these - I have one in a book of the 16" mounted.  

These were very complex installations and unscaled line drawings and pictures are not detailed enough to layout scale plans.  The drawing you uploaded apparently was an illustration from a US Army training manual.

What I was looking for was maybe a technical drawing or drawings from a manual with dimensions and better views.

Mike

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Posted by TomZ2 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:54 PM

Well, try this:


I was able to find the following at http://www.practicalmachinist.com

Fractal

Just received some books in the mail a moment ago and wouldn't you know it, the gun on the cover is one of the disappearing guns. On the inside are some drawings of same and descriptions of how it works. The book is called "American Machinist Memories" with a subtitle of "Ordnance 1900-01" and is available from www.lindsaybooks.com. I haven't read it yet, obviously, but I'm super excited to realize that the engineer that wrote most of the articles is the same engineer that did the major design work on the Improved Gardner Gun! I can see I am going to have to do a lot of research on this guy. Well, have a great day!

Joe

You might look into the Battery Pratt Restoration Project. http://www.cdsg.org/bpratt1.htm

From your [lack of] location, I have no idea what old forts are near you. You should check to see what’s at hand.

There are some manuals available as photocopies from http://www.military-info.com:

  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1686 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F., Model of 1898 for 6-inch Gun Model of 1897 M1 (17 May 1904, revised to 28 November 1911); 46 pages, 8 plates of illustrations Price 5.00 {Item No.2999}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1687 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F., Model of 1903 for 6-inch Guns Models of 1900, 1903, and 1905 (10 March 1906, revised to 2 April 1910); 47 pages, 10 plates of illustrations Price 6.00 {Item No.3000}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1688 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for 6-inch Barrbette Carriage Model of 1900 (10 October 1904, revised to 9 October 1912); 25 pages, 3 plates of illustrations Price 3.00 {Item No.3001}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1689 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for 8-inch Disappearing Carriages L.F., Model of 1894 for 8-inch Guns, Models of 1888, 1888 MI, and 1888 MII (6 June 1903, revised to 17 October 1916); 40 pages, 6 plates of illustrations Price 5.00 {Item No.3002}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1690 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for 8-inch Disappearing Carriages L.F., Model of 1896 for 8-inch Gun Models of 1888 MI and MII (12 July 1905, revised to 19 March 1912); 41 pages, 5 plates of illustrations Price 5.00 {Item No.3003}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1691 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriages L.F. Model of 1894 MI for 10-inch Guns Models of 1888, 1888 MI, and 1888 MII (20 May 1904, revised 18 October 1913); 66 pages, 10 plates of illustrations Price 8.00 {Item No.3004}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1693 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage A.R.F., Model of 1896 for 10-inch Rifles Models of 1888 and 1895 (28 April 1904, revised 21 December 1907); 40 pages, 8 plates of illustrations Price 5.00 {Item No.3005}
  • Ordnance Doc.No.1694 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F.Model of 1901 for 10-inch Guns Models of 1895 and 1900 (14 October 1907); 83 pages, 12 plates of illus. Price 9.00 {Item No.2923}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1695 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F. Model of 1896 for 12-inch Guns Models of 1888 and 1895 (19 April 1904, revised 11 April 1913); 64 pages, 19 plates of illustrations Price 10.00 {Item No.3006}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1696 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F. Model of 1897 for 12-inch Gun Model of 1895 (31 May 1904, revised 26 November 1909); 66 pages, 13 plates of illustrations Price 8.00 {Item No.3007}
  • Ordnance Dept.Doc.No.1697 Instructions for Mounting, Using, and Caring for Disappearing Carriage L.F.Model of 1901 for 12-inch Guns Models of 1895 and 1900 (31 May 1904, revised to 14 July 1911); 87 pages, 10 plates of illustrations Price 10.00 {Item No.3008}

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Posted by amphib on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:06 PM

Have you tried the museum at the Watervliet Arsenal in Watervliet New York? The arsenal made the gun barrels for these guns and must have had the drawings for the gun carriages. By the way, the Watervliet Arsenal is still making gun barrels for tanks and artillery today.

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