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Returning to modeling after a rather long break.
Posted by barkhorn45 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:01 AM

I have'nt built a model since the early 70's,won a few diorama and model contests then went into the army and drifted away.Have purchased 4 dml and 1 afv models and am astonished at the detail compared to the top of the line tamiya models available back then.

I have a few questions{not sure if this is the right section to do so].What type of cement is the right one I know tube cement is best for magic track assembly but what type of ca and liquid cements do you recommend?Also what paint line is the best?Don't have an airbrush yet so have to use spray can {not a problem since my first attempt will be DML's pz 2 c mit zustats panzer so can be pz grey or desert yellow{if lack of smoke candle box can be resolved.

Thanks in advance for any help have a good day!!!

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  • From: Northern Virginia
Posted by hutchdh on Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:38 AM

Welcome back to the hobby...your story sounds like me when I got back into it in the mid-90s.  I, too, started back into with armor and advanced (just kidding) to aircraft.  This forum is filled with a lot of talent, so there won't be any shortage of advice, but you may get some diversity in recommendations, but that is good.  You are right the industry has changed a bit....the golden age.

Speaking of glue, I abandoned that tube stuff decades ago.  I use the liquid (Testors and Tamiya thin liquid) as my primary, but you will see other preferences.  As for CA, I shop around...even with that stuff there are varying dry times and consistency depending on your need.  For instance, there is thicker consistencies for gap filling and thinner stuff for other needs.  I use an accelerant to speed the process in some cases.  I use the CA mostly for PE, but others use it for other applications.

Regarding paint...wow, there are a lot of great choices.  I use every thing from Tamiya Acrylic, to Model Master (MM) acrylic and enamel, Vallejo, Humbrol, Lifecolor, Xtracolor...and even a thing called Alclad for natural metal finish, but that is a lacquer.  I use artist oils for washes...gosh the list goes on.  You will have to experiment to see what meets your needs and what you personally like.

As you advance, you my opt to buy an airbrush...I did and it really raised my game.  But I have seen some great work done by rattle can and paint brush.

Anyway, have fun exploring all the need toys out there for this hobby...but enjoy the build, most of all.  I look forward to seeing some of your work.

Hutch

Hutch

 On the Bench: 1:48 HobbyBoss Ta152-C; 1:48 & 1:72 Hasegawa F-104G NATO Bavaria

In queue: 1:48 Academy F-4B & a TBD Eric Hartmann bird

Recently completed: 1:32 Trumpeter P-51B

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    May 2011
Posted by panzerbob01 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:16 AM

I'll echo Hutch; WELCOME BACK!

You sound almost wholly like me!  OK, I didn't win, let alone enter any, contests back in the early 70's (heck - I didn't even KNOW there were any such things back then!). Left the hobby in late '74 for the Green Machine, went on to life and careers, remained out until 2008.  I happened one day to see a hotel marquee in town advertising a coming model show! Went in, "wow!", went home and dug my old Tamiya kits out from behind the closet debris, and jumped back in!

And yes, the model world has done a quantum leap in diversity, quality, and complexity! It is a "Golden Age" for sure!  It was intimidating (and thrilling) to open my first Dragon superkit and find over 1200 parts... after last having built a Tamiya StuG which came with, what? a lordly 102 or so bits.  So also have lept the painting options, after-market (AM) options and supplies, and - maybe most useful to both the "new" and old modellers, IMO - the access to info on kits, building and painting techniques, "how-to", and historical background.  USE the internet and WEB - there are all sorts of knowledgeable folks here and on other model sites who can answer and help with about any question.  For example, I usually check for reviews and comments and build info on kits before I get them - being fore-warned helps!  I do always remind myself that I am looking at other's OPINIONS...

I would encourage you to take the air-brush plunge - the AB will open up options for paint schemes and approaches, and can be lots of actual fun to use (and we are all here for FUN, right?).  The "what paints to use" is, as Hutch said, very much a try it and see personal preference thing. Read some painting blogs and see what folks like - likes will often depend on what techniques the painter uses (some brands work well with brush, others need certain solvents to work best, etc.) and what his/her subjects are (some brands may have "more authentic" colour ranges, and different finish, if these become your quest). 

Glue? I'll guess tubes are great for sniffing and randomly contaminating the kit! I rushed out naiively and bought 2 tubes back in 08 as I rushed to get building...  never even opened the seal. I right away discovered the joy and versatility of various liquid cements.   CA is the same - lots of options and each with pros and cons. One thing folks learn about CA is that it's performance, like that of paints, is affected by humidity (that's because of how the stuff works - CA reacts with water)...

Because models are a visual thing, and exchange of info is so well enhanced by pictures of the whole affair, I suggest a digital camera and learning how to easily post your pics!  So far, I'm good to go with the camera, and with posting on SOME sites (not this one, YET)!

I also discovered the local modelling club... (if you have not already looked into this...) maybe there's one near you and it could be cool.

So jump on in!  And have FUN! Welcome back, returnee modeller!

BobWink

 

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  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:21 AM

Welcome back to the hobby. Things have changed a bunch in the past few years. Ask away and we will help anyway we can.


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    November 2005
Posted by T26E4 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:50 AM

Not to toot Kalmbach's horn but their "Building Realistic Tanks and Artillery" is a great guide with lots of practical tips and informative photos.  I recommend this to all newer tank builders and this booklet is cheap and available in probably every hobby shop.

Roy Chow 

Join AMPS!

http://www.amps-armor.org

 

 

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  • From: Washington, DC
Posted by TomZ2 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:04 AM

“Enter freely and of your own will…” said a strange voice as though not used to human speech. (We’re all a little mad here.) Welcome to endless wonder and friendly arguments without end.

Occasional factual, grammatical, or spelling variations are inherent to this thesis and should not be considered as defects, as they enhance the individuality and character of this document.

  • Member since
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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:17 AM

Welcome back Barkhorn!  (Wait, you're building tanks? With that screen name I expect to see a Bf-109 at some point Wink)

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:44 AM

Welcome back!!  The madness fun has only begun!! Wink

 

 

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  • From: Allentown, PA
Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:58 AM

Barkhorn,,,,  glad to have you back.         I would also echo the previous replies to your questions.

Be sure to post some pics of your builds....  everyone likes photos!

 

All the best

Bill

Enjoy the ride!

 

  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:09 PM

Welcome back to the hobby! I drifted away myself, though not for quite as long (significantly cut back in '95, dropped altogether in 2000, came back last summer). 

One thing that shocked me was the rise of the internet. In everything else I'm into - cars, photography, movies, etc - it's been gradual. I suppose it has for modeling, too, but coming back and finding all these amazing resources (this forum included!)...access to so much information and so many techniques and tips raised my game way past where it had ever been. My first kit back was heads and tails above anything I'd built growing up, and I've improved miles since then too!

For cements, I prefer to use a slightly hotter liquid solvent - Tenax7R. It's like Testors or Tamiya liquid cements in that it melts and welds the plastic together, but it does it MUCH faster. With armor, I've found I can also often apply it from the inside so there's very little cleanup that has to happen.

I don't use tube glue at all. Closest I come is a tube of some Loctite outdoor adhesive that's basically like a very slow, stronger super glue. Other than that, I use CA and a stunning acrylic glue called Gator's Grip. It's basically similar to Elmers, but on steroids. And unlike CA, which is brittle and has very poor shearing resistance, the Gator's Grip can take a beating. I've knocked over tiny parts and PE bits and been able to literally just stand them back up. So that's what I use for pioneer tools and the like.

Paints...if you're stuck with rattlecans for now...Model Master or Tamiya, in my opinion. Don't have a lot of experience with Tamiya's cans, but I've used their AS-12 bare metal silver and their various clear coats, and they spray very, very well. For brushing, check out Vallejo and Lifecolor. Both are very good.

Not sure what AFV Club kit you got, but the only one of theirs I build (Achilles) I found to be rather a letdown compared to what Dragon, Tasca, Bronco and others are putting out these days. Vague fits, ejector pin marks all over the exterior surfaces, etc. If you want to be absolutely flabbergasted by a kit - go check out Bronco's Archer kit, or I suppose their new Bishop as well!

Also saw that you mentioned magic tracks. Personally, tracks were always my bane when it came to armor as a kid. Not sure if you've heard about them yet, but look into Friul white metal tracks. They can be a bit spendy (Pacific Coast Models has them for about $32 a set, which is the cheapest I've seen), but oh my god. Tedious but easy to assemble, fully workable, and no race to get them in place and properly sagged and such before the cement cures. If I was building armor at some astounding rate, I might shy away from them, but I'm more of an airplane guy, so when I do build armor I'm willing to shell out a bit extra for the super awesome track links.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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