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Canadian Sherman Firefly VC....an old tanker's ride into hell.

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Canadian Sherman Firefly VC....an old tanker's ride into hell.
Posted by Beobachtungsbereich on Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:30 AM

Recently my wife's grandfather passed away. He served with A Sqn in the 8th New Brunswick Hussars(PL) during WW2.

He made it through Italy and then through Holland. He drove in Sherman M3's, Stuarts (they nicknamed them Honey Tanks for their speed) and the last tank he crewed was a Sherman Firefly VC.

Involved in many battles and seen the nasty end of a few Panthers and Tigers made him appreciate his Firefly. I sat with him many times and he'd tell me of his antics throughout the war and the things he saw and the things that still bothered him. Unfortunately, with age came his slow decay and his ability to speak, move was on the decline....so getting any further information was not a priority, just making him comfortable.

That being said, I have an old photo of him and the rest of the crew he was with in the latter days of the war somewhere in Holland. He said he thought it was somewhere near the northwest corner just before they crossed into Germany.

This was all the prompting I needed to make this model and get back into the hobby after a 10+ year hiatus. I had to buy everything, airbrush, brushes, paints, thinners, PE tools, tweezers...the list goes on and on. I've made my local hobby shop owner a very happy man.

  This build is an exact replica of his Sherman Firefly VC tank, however I only have the rear left portion to go off of that clearly shows the nickname of his tank, "Abegweit". I have gone off his memories from 20 years ago on the layout of his tank and the field mods they did and the order they were done. For instance, the 17 pdr turret being swapped out and them leaving the bow gun in for a couple of weeks before taking it out for more ammo stowage and the plates being welded on. This was also in his memoirs on audio tape that he made from the 70's.

His widow, my wife's grandmother, got rather choked up to say the least when she saw what I was making when she dropped by for a visit.

Made a home made stencil to paint on the tank's nickname of Abegweit, but the darn thing didn't stay close enough to the hull when I fogged it on. Oh, I realize that the nickname is spelled wrong but it was spelled wrong on the actual tank!

As for the CT number, there are various positions they were on the tanks. Each unit had a different spot and there was absolutely no standardization at all. I've gone through Archives Canada and done tons of research and there are no definitive examples from his unit at all. Even Armour Acorn, an exceptional site, has nothing of relevance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TANKS for looking.

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Posted by CBennett on Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:53 AM

Great story and GREAT tank! both the real thing and the model..the Firefly is what ALL Shermans should have been off the assembly line!

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Posted by some assembly required on Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:40 AM

youre a good man to honour a hero like that. i understand the motivation because my dad fought from italy into germany and my uncle was a sherman driver in europe.so heres to you and our fallen warrorrs...Beer

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Posted by gunner_chris on Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:29 AM

That is a very nice story, and a nice looking tank.

What a great way to honor his memory.

What kit did you use?

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:29 AM

A great story, and a wonderful tributeYes

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:38 AM

Beautiful model and God bless guys like your granddad in-law.

Thanks for sharing with us.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by TomZ2 on Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:04 PM

Gamera

Beautiful model and God bless guys like your granddad in-law.

Thanks for sharing with us.

Ditto

Tags: Firefly

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Posted by Beobachtungsbereich on Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 PM

Thanks all for the feed back!

 

It was Tasca's Sherman Firefly VC with cheek armour.

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, December 19, 2011 3:57 PM

Nice attention to detail and a very nice tribute.

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Monday, December 19, 2011 4:28 PM

[quote user="Beobachtungsbereich"

'It was Tasca's Sherman Firefly VC with cheek armour.'

[/quote]   

Yes Good job on the tank and excellent tribute!

Any advice on the kit? I have the same one 'in stash' and was wondering if there are any snags to be aware of?

Agreed its hard to find good references on Canadian WWII armour.

armouredacorn.com

Try the above site, it is dedicated to accurate Canadian Armour subjects

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/razordws/GB%20Badges/WMIIIGBsmall.jpg

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, December 19, 2011 4:34 PM

A great looking build, and a great reason to build it, spelling mistakes and all. Yes

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, December 19, 2011 4:45 PM

A real nice tribute to him,and a nice build with great weathering.Too bad the old tanker couldn't see your work for him.

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Posted by Beobachtungsbereich on Monday, December 19, 2011 8:48 PM

SuppressionFire

Yes Good job on the tank and excellent tribute!

Any advice on the kit? I have the same one 'in stash' and was wondering if there are any snags to be aware of?

Agreed its hard to find good references on Canadian WWII armour.

armouredacorn.com

Try the above site, it is dedicated to accurate Canadian Armour subjects

 

Armoured Acorn does have alot on Canadian AFVs, but not much on the 8CH and specifically on A Sqn in Holland. I emailed him a couple of times and had no responses. After 3 months I gave up. I tried at another site as well, but no one knew some specifics I was looking for.

 

Funny, the Germans tracked everything to the point that if you wanted to, you could literally track a specific panzer throughout the war, even in rebuilds and field mods.

 

As for the kit itself, it was a snap to put together. The instructions are a bit vague at times, so be careful. There were plenty of times I had to do a double take as they incorporate 4 different variants, none of which are close to what that Sqn had in Holland in 45. Even the AMUs are incorrect. I had to buy a PE set from my local hobby shop to replace the one behind the CC. There are two different muzzle ends, so research to see if it is the one you want on your tank. Also the aplique plates are set for any one of the four variants, but the Canadian variant, depending on the Regiment, had different ones on as well.

 

Then of course there is the track that was welded on the sides and front armour. Many references in the Canadian Archives are incorrect and many Sherman Firefly IC are mislabeled as VC. Hell, there was even an "Easy8" mislabled as a VC.

 

Have fun on your build. I know I did!

 

 

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  • From: Truro Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted by SuppressionFire on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:18 PM

Yes the Sherman variants are a science in themselves!

Although I would need a different kit I would like to build one day the Firefly in a famous picture with the Churchill tank tracks welded on. I believe it served with the New Brunswick Hussars and was a composite hull. (going on memory)

Tanks for the information! I knew the assembly would be tricky as the instructions are in Japanese.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/razordws/GB%20Badges/WMIIIGBsmall.jpg

 

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 PM

Here's to your wife's Grandfather, the 8th New Brunswick Hussars, and your tribute.

Canucks like them killed a lot of high priced armour.

Great weathering, can almost smell the gas.......

Yes

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Posted by Beobachtungsbereich on Monday, December 26, 2011 7:45 PM

I think this is the one you mean.

 

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5KcSih8DBphGfT8zZ8p5pRW9tiv6Reez4rbYrQUnd8BKX3AVtxDYGLJey

 

Thanks for the feedback guys. Much appreciated!

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Monday, December 26, 2011 8:09 PM

Yes that is the picture I am referring to. Everything about the snapshot is perfect for a model vignette, the crews expressions and added armour say more than the pictures 1000 words.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/razordws/GB%20Badges/WMIIIGBsmall.jpg

 

 

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Posted by NBHPL fan on Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:43 AM
Don't know if this post is still open. When you're interested I have a picture of the right-rearside of the Abegwelt. Token in Putten Holland' Two crew members are visible, maybe your grandfather is one of them. please let me know if you've read this post
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:47 PM

Holy Moly! 

Gawd...I'm so sorry for your loss.  My Grampa drove LST's and LCM's island hopping trying to stop the Japanese in WW2...and my wife's father (R.I.P. Walter...love you) was a nuclear weapons tech in the Navy...23 years, retired, Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Japan, Carriers, nuc subs...a Master Chief (4 tours in the Brown Water Navy in Nam) officiated at his funeral....the power of that was devastating.

When they're gone.....ALL their experiences...their LIFE....EVERYTHING....is....GONE.

You're so lucky.  His life...experiences...they're priceless....and when people like these pass.....are...GONE.  And THAT fact....makes us all the poorer. 

You're very fortunate....for having someone like that to talk to....thanks for sharing.

Cheers, LeeTree
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