A must have for red legs?

stikpusher

OK, I remember "Tilly the Toiler". But I never knew the back story on the kits. The 155 Long Tom was a decent kit. At least to my 9 year old standards when I built it. Perhaps in the not too distant future Revell will re issue the 75mm Skysweeper under their program of reissuing those Renwall kits. I really should have picked up the Hawk Missile battery kit.

www.Oldmodelkits.com has a Life-Like "Tillie the Toiler" . Long Tom, kits...   http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php Way too much money though... Effin' collector prices..

As for ADA vs Redlegs, we called 'em "Duck Hunters"...

As a kid, the main armor kits I had access to were the old Aurora kits. The Renwal kits were for the "big kids". My friend had an older brother with the Renwal kits. They were light years ahead of the Aurora kits. They were bigger, had multiple moving features, removable hatches, interior engine and were more in scale with the omnipresent green army men we all played with.

The Renwal kits were my holy grail of models. I was glad to see them reissued in the 80s and today.

stikpusher

OK, I remember "Tilly the Toiler". But I never knew the back story on the kits........

yeah...well......do you remember Sassy the Cat...(this one is for Manny)

OK, I remember "Tilly the Toiler". But I never knew the back story on the kits. The 155 Long Tom was a decent kit. At least to my 9 year old standards when I built it. Perhaps in the not too distant future Revell will re issue the 75mm Skysweeper under their program of reissuing those Renwall kits. I really should have picked up the Hawk Missile battery kit.

stikpusher

I want to say Renwall (or it could have been Life Like) did a 75mm "Skysweeper" Possibly 1/32, but it could have been 1/40... I did build the Life Like 155mm "Long Tom" that came with a HST and crew.

Correct, the Renwal Skysweeper was 75mm AAA gun and was 1/32 scale.

Snap Adams did the 120mm "Tiller the Toiler" AAA gun in 1/40 scale; the same scale used when he (Steve Adams) designed military kits for Revell. He took the kits he developed for Revell and started Adams Action Models (M20 armored car, Jeep, HST, Long Tom) then promptly went under. That's why a lot of former Revell and Adams military armor kits ended up in Life-Like and other closeout company boxings.

The confusion lies in that some kits started as Revell, then went with Adams and finally Life-Like so folks assume that all Adams or Life-Like kits were once Revell. Then to add to the confusion, Revell obtained Renwal kits and released them as their own in the 80s. So Revell ends up now owning kits similar to the original Adams kits and people confuse the ex-Renwal kits with former Adams kits.

I've got the 120mm in a Life-Like box. It was not a good kit and the mold misalignment and flash are heavy. Life-Like did not do a good job ensuring the mold halves were secured before popping the kits.

I want to say Renwall (or it could have been Life Like) did a 75mm "Skysweeper" Possibly 1/32, but it could have been 1/40... I did build the Life Like 155mm "Long Tom" that came with a HST and crew.

I think one was made by "Life-Like", in some odd scale, like 1/40th or something...

EDIT: N/M.. It's a 120mm AA gun kit...

My dad crewed on those 90mm's. I would love to see a kit of one of those.

redleg12

Hans - You are proof that we are all different. I can understand your position and Gino's. I tend more toward Gino's view but that is my personal preference and my ability to afford the expenses and looking to save time. The truth is we are all correct.

HeavyArty

No problem Hans, I don't want you to change.  And we do model differently.  So be it. 

Back to the question, nope, not a must have at all.  Same for the Honest John, not even a RedLeg piece of equipment.

Roger that, and I certainly never meant to say anyone was "wrong" if they got that impression...   As for "different", well..

I get that a lot, lol...

Sometimes it's accompanied by a PM from Aaron too...

Rob Gronovius

I think the last ADA "true" artillery piece was that 90mm AAA gun.

Yeah, I'd buy that.. But only to the point of drinking a beer with 'em at  "The Redleg Inn"...

I picked up the Bronco late war version of the 25pdr, as my pops was a Gun commander on this.

IMOHP, the Bronco is a bit more useful to me, as:

mid/late/post war possible, plus fine detail & I picked it up at Telford for under UKP £19.00!

Bronco announce, then lo & behold, you can get your mits on it within weeks, not months/years/never as with certain vapourware mfrs. 

Yes, better than the old Tamiya, but the Tamiya kit still stands up,  & a compare & contrast build would be fun, if only to show progress in the hobby over the last 20-25 YEARS!

I see it as a piece of arty that would appeal to Commonwealth or North Africa theater modelers. The US came into the war with some decent artillery of their own.

I think the last ADA "true" artillery piece was that 90mm AAA gun.

No problem Hans, I don't want you to change.  And we do model differently.  So be it. 

Back to the question, nope, not a must have at all.  Same for the Honest John, not even a RedLeg piece of equipment.

Bondman - The Revell kit is nice but....a re-release of the Adams/UPC/Life Like HJ on the M256 truck launcher would be more exciting.

Hans - You are proof that we are all different. I can understand your position and Gino's. I tend more toward Gino's view but that is my personal preference and my ability to afford the expenses and looking to save time. The truth is we are all correct.

Now the one thing all the forum redlegs agree on......the Dragon 25 lb is  and NOT a must have. Even tankers like Rob are not interested!

Thanks nonetheless Manny!

Rounds Complete!!

bondoman

What about this new re- release from Revell?

 Missile-pukes weren't real Redlegs...  Neither's ADA... 'Cept maybe the Redeye and then later, the Stinger guys... They're kinda like the Doc... They're there to take care of ya at the Battery level...

tigerman

Have to agree with Gino Hans. This new kit is going to be light years ahead of the Tamiya kit. .... in other words, buy the new kit.

Sorry if my rambling got you or anyone else confused, Tigerman.. It ain't about the "light-years" of details...

  The question was, "A 'Must Have' for Redlegs?"... Well.. Speaking as a Redleg, the answer is "no" for this Artilleyman...  Like I said, I don't care enough about Brit arty enough to shell out the bucks only a fraction of a field artillery section...

An Artillery Section includes the Prime-mover and ammo supply vehicle and that's missing from the Dragon kit, therefore making it "2/3rds a  Section", since it only has the gun and limber... That makes the Tami-kit a superior offering as far as I'm concerned, since the Prime-mover is included, even if the kits cost the same amount of money...   It's the same as a kit of the M109A6 Paladin lacking the FAASV (Prime-mover and gun, plus ammo-supply vehicle), or an M101A1 without the Duece...  

So again, no.. It's not a "Must have" for Redlegs...   More like a "Must Have" for detail freaks...

I doubt you can scratch the parts that will improve it.

Welll.... I'm a "Gizmologist", which precludes me from scratch-building that way ...  Gizmologists go for "suggestion" rather than "duplication"...  For instance, if I were to scratch-build a 105mm howitzer, I wouldn't make a 1/35th scale 105mm gun-tube for the M102 with all 36 lands and grooves when 26 will tell the viewer that it's not a smooth-bore gun... KnowwhutImean?

Like I said in the last post, Time is what I got lots of... 

But it's a great debate anyway...

HeavyArty

I know we have had this discussion before Hans, but I still can't agree with you.  Just because it is cheaper is not a discriminator for me.  I would rather have the more up to date and better detailed kit every time.  I am not a big fan of old Tamiya kits either, especially their horrible old figures.  You have to get with the times and build some new kits.

Lol.. I get that a lot, Gino... But i like doing the work... Making the "old stuff "look good today, sitting next to the latest and greatest, is what drives me...   Not trying to convert ya either... But when you're a tight-wad like me, a small price is a big motivator...  Time is all I got a lot of... 

That's why i still like the Panther A, T-34/75, and M41 too...  When you build dioramas, all that expensive extra detail, like indy-link/length-and link tracks, metal barrels and such get covered in mud and have camo-netting hanging off them...   I think that's our separation... You like to build "motor-park" armor (for lack of a better term), I like to build "in the field, in combat" armor, with the crews living/fighting in them...  

As for figures, I Frankenstein all of them, so my "guys" aren't really any one figure, anywhere.. Tamiya boots are on Dragon legs, which in turn are on ICM torsos, and have Testor's arms, with Airfix hands, and Hornet heads and're totin' Tamiya weapons... When I need a special "focus" figure, it's most likely Verlinden, if only for a CVC helmet and/or PASGT Vest...   Hard to pin it down though... My parts box for figures looks like a "GI Factory"... Just body parts, organized by legs (L&R), arms (L&R, sleeves up/down) etc... I even do some "Sex Changes"...  Sometimes I spend more hours on a "key-figure" than an entire kit...

Then there's the "1/48th Figure Parts" box...

What about this new re- release from Revell?

Have to agree with Gino Hans. This new kit is going to be light years ahead of the Tamiya kit. I doubt you can scratch the parts that will improve it. in other words, buy the new kit.

Can't say it'd be on my must have list, but I'm not a cannon cocker either.

I'd think, in the ways of arty's bigger is better methodology, that the big guns would be must haves over a 25 pdr.

Kits like AFV Club's 8" or 155mm towed, M40 SPG or any one of the huge German pieces available would be a must have over this.

Maybe a must have if you're a Commonwealth arty fan.

I know we have had this discussion before Hans, but I still can't agree with you.  Just because it is cheaper is not a discriminator for me.  I would rather have the more up to date and better detailed kit every time.  I am not a big fan of old Tamiya kits either, especially their horrible old figures.  You have to get with the times and build some new kits.

Nice kit and like Gino said, I am sure the detail is improved over the Tamiya kit. I have plenty of Mxxx kits on the shelf. Even though it saw limited usage with the US forces, it is way down my list.

Thanks for the thought but I will stick to my OD!!

Rounds Complete!!

Don't know enough about Brit arty to care about that kind of accuracy, Gino...  Two times or 1000 times..  Neither would anyone else, unless they either crewed it or was walking by it with the Brit version of the Dash 10...

Meanwhile, I got the whole she-bang for 18 bucks and it's a diorama too...

It's been done...With the Prime-mover... For 18 bucks and some change too...

True..in all its 1970 Tamiya glory.  You get what you pay for.  I guarantee the new Dragon kit is 1000 times better detailed and more accurate than the old, tired Tamiya kit.  If I was interested in building it, I'd go with the new Dragon one.

Manstein's revenge

It's been done...With the Prime-mover... For 18 bucks and some change too...

Extra Figures are about 6 bucks...

I like, but not a fan of the shorts!

I think item #3 down from the top is a must have for our Red Leg bretheren. A 1/16 scale M198!

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/trumpeter.html

wing_nut

carsanab:

when you said RED LEGS...I thought you meant these.....

 

 

 

Good thing they're not Scottish.

Wow, now I am hungry for Chinese food.

carsanab

when you said RED LEGS...I thought you meant these.....

 

Good thing they're not Scottish.

It looks like a nice kit, but I wouldn't say it is a "Must Have!"  I am not big on WWII Arty, so I will pass on it.