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Pz Kpfw IV question
Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Saturday, February 4, 2012 12:51 PM

On the PzKpfw IV Ausf D used in the DAK were the cooling fans under the engine deck hatches painted in primer red or were they painted in German Gray in 41-42? I know the outside was painted in the desert colors but what about the fans?

I'm getting ready to start on my DAK model this weekend and I started to wonder about that. I have some later war tanks with those fans painted in red primer but wondered if they painted them gray in 41-42.

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, February 4, 2012 1:25 PM
whenever i do dak stuff my first question is "was it painted in germany or in africa?" if painted in africa, i start with a pz grey base coat and only paint those areas that are obvious. for my 222 i left the interior grey as well as the bottom and wheel wells. squared off the crosses so they has a grey background. i would primer them just to add a bit of color but, as i get older, i am trending away from 100% accuracy for some artistic appeal (obviously within reason).

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:18 PM

Interior components weren't painted in Panzer gray as a rule...there was no need for it and a separate specification existed for those components. Since Ausf D production ran from 1939-1941 and that spans when the interior primer used was transitioned from a field-green shade primer to red oxide, you could go with either green or red for the fans and be correct depending on when your D was built Wink.

The fans in question would never be exposed to outside view unless the rear deck hatches were opened up, so the interior painting guidelines would apply. HTH! Beer  

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:17 PM
correct about the interior. usually it was a white. off-white or buff. the example is a 4x4 sdkfz-222 armoured car with an open turret. open interiors like halftracks were painted the same base color as the outside. and a bit of bragging

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Posted by bbrowniii on Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:46 PM

waynec
correct about the interior. usually it was a white. off-white or buff. the example is a 4x4 sdkfz-222 armoured car with an open turret. open interiors like halftracks were painted the same base color as the outside.

Wayne

Nice 222 - congrats on the second place!

I think, though, that you are confusing the fighting compartments with the engine compartments. As I understand it, while the fighting compartment might be repainted either white or the exterior color, the engine compartment remained in the primer color. Thus, the fans, not being in the fighting compartment, would not be white or the exterior color.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:20 PM

wbill76

Interior components weren't painted in Panzer gray as a rule...there was no need for it and a separate specification existed for those components. Since Ausf D production ran from 1939-1941 and that spans when the interior primer used was transitioned from a field-green shade primer to red oxide, you could go with either green or red for the fans and be correct depending on when your D was built Wink.

The fans in question would never be exposed to outside view unless the rear deck hatches were opened up, so the interior painting guidelines would apply. HTH! Beer  

 

Got ya. The thing is on the DAK tank it has grills over the engine and I can have them either open or closed so if I have the grills to the open  you can see part of the fans though the grill. I think I'll just leave them closed.

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