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Just bought one Scrumptious looking kit - Dragon Soviet SU-85M

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Posted by waynec on Sunday, March 4, 2012 3:40 PM
i am quiting ww2 armor except the shelf queens (going to modern war wheels at lewast in the vehicle arena) but i have always liked su-85s. i would take them and t-34/85s in PANZERBLITZ and have mobility, firepower, and protection and kick some deutsches heinie.

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Posted by TZombie on Sunday, March 4, 2012 7:05 AM

That should build up nicely. I've got the Dragon Su-100 waiting in the wings to get done.

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Posted by falschimjager on Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:32 PM

Man up and give  it the 100mm!

 

All joking aside this looks to be a smashing project.

Also my knowledge of Soviet tanks is somewhat lacking but I believe the original SU85 was just an attempt at mounting the 85mm gun into tank format. The SU85m came out of a result of a shortage of 100mm guns to mount into the SU100 and is essentially an up armored SU85. But I'm not positive.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:09 AM

Looking forward to this even tho I don't build Russian stuff... Yes

Andy

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, March 2, 2012 9:44 PM

No, not the assault guns, but the rifled guns. Because of the Panthers and Tigers, they wanted a more efficient gun to deal with them, but were low on 100mm's, so they opted for the more available 85mm gun. Makes sense, since the 85mm wasn't the great penetrator as say the German 75 Lang and 88mm, especially against the thicker German armor.

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Posted by Hinksy on Friday, March 2, 2012 5:30 PM

Hi guys,

There's obviously a lot of interest in this kit. Something about the box art just really catches the eye! The instructions look very simple (as Dragon instructions go) and the moulded detail is excellent.

As for calls for a blog, as some of you know I always blog my builds to some degree so I'll take some time on blogging this and do a real 'in-depth' blog.

The Tiger '100' will be another month on the bench imo so as soon as that is complete I'll be going Soviet!

Cheers guys and thanks for links etc Yes

Take care,

Ben Toast

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, March 2, 2012 4:48 PM

Chrisk-k

Dark green or Black green

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMln6vxwRt7jgGwIJKBxdz4SqgKk-pWTj9LOfe-LMIICTtnUXGoQF2

 Whatever color you use, just remember that the weathering will most likely make it darker.

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, March 2, 2012 4:44 PM

Howdy!

There's a lot of confusion as for the Soviet SP guns - there were many "families" of them - one used the T-34 Chassis (SU-85 and SU-100 among them - I believe they ended up at SU-122) - and the gun was always "one number ahead" from the current T-34 model. Like when the then-current T-34 model used the 76mm gun, the SU used the 85mm gun. Then T-34 switched to 85mm gun, so they modified the SUs with 100 mm gun. Similarily, there was the ISU family, that uset the Stalin tank for chassis. They started with two types of 122mm guns, but switched to 152mm guns as soon as they were available (that took a little time, and then the ISU-122s were retrofitted, that's why it is so hard to find one now).

Hope it helps, have a nice day

Pawel

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 2, 2012 4:22 PM

tigerman

 Manstein's revenge:

The SU-85 was quickly found by the Soviets to be redundant to the T-34/85 in terms of firepower, so they opted to mount the 100mm in most of the production run of these muthas...If I were going for a BoB build I'd opt for the later gun but if you are asking me if a SU-85 ever laid tracks in Berlin, I'd say at some point one probably did...

As far as the shade of green, I always go loose and free with the Soviet stuff and whatever looks right is what  I use...some opt for a lighter shade but IMO the shade was probably much darker than you commonly see used...

 

Unless I'm confusing the 122mm gun, I thought they went with the 85mm due to a lack of 100mm guns. I recall something along those lines.

You might be thinking of the SU122 and JSU152, whch were "assault guns"...the SU85 and 100 were "tank hunters"...

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, March 2, 2012 4:06 PM

I used White Ensign's 4BO Green on my T-34/85...based off it I'd say Dark Green mixed with some Deep Green for "greenness" and perhaps some blue in there as well. If you have an iPhone, there's an app called iModelKit that's really handy for playing with color mixes.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, March 2, 2012 3:47 PM

Looking forward to it Ben,I got the same kit on order,I'm thinking about getting a metal barell and building it as a 100.so I will be following along.

Also thinking about trying out that AK modulation kit for Russian Armor

 

When I built my Jsu-152 I used the NATO green on someone's recommendation 

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, March 2, 2012 12:26 PM

Manstein's revenge

The SU-85 was quickly found by the Soviets to be redundant to the T-34/85 in terms of firepower, so they opted to mount the 100mm in most of the production run of these muthas...If I were going for a BoB build I'd opt for the later gun but if you are asking me if a SU-85 ever laid tracks in Berlin, I'd say at some point one probably did...

As far as the shade of green, I always go loose and free with the Soviet stuff and whatever looks right is what  I use...some opt for a lighter shade but IMO the shade was probably much darker than you commonly see used...

Unless I'm confusing the 122mm gun, I thought they went with the 85mm due to a lack of 100mm guns. I recall something along those lines.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 2, 2012 11:23 AM

Hercmech

Sounds like a cool kit and a fun build...

but I have never heard a kit described as "Scrumptious" LOL

Well, I've heard of 'scrumptious models' but most of them were of the swimsuit variety...

 

Really nice kit, as I said before you're going to enjoy building this one. Toast

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, March 2, 2012 10:56 AM

Sounds like a cool kit and a fun build...

but I have never heard a kit described as "Scrumptious" LOL


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Posted by caSSius on Friday, March 2, 2012 10:50 AM

Another vote for WIP coverage of your build Smile.  After oogling this kit at the LHS for the last couple weeks, I'll be picking it up this weekend.

Cheers

Brad

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Posted by bultenibo on Friday, March 2, 2012 7:25 AM

It sounds like a lovely kit to build!

Like the idea of a SU 85 Beute-panzer. Here's a bunch of inspirational pics if you chose to travel down that road.

 

/Bultenibo

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 2, 2012 7:11 AM

The SU-85 was quickly found by the Soviets to be redundant to the T-34/85 in terms of firepower, so they opted to mount the 100mm in most of the production run of these muthas...If I were going for a BoB build I'd opt for the later gun but if you are asking me if a SU-85 ever laid tracks in Berlin, I'd say at some point one probably did...

As far as the shade of green, I always go loose and free with the Soviet stuff and whatever looks right is what  I use...some opt for a lighter shade but IMO the shade was probably much darker than you commonly see used...

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Friday, March 2, 2012 7:08 AM

"Another question for WWII Soviet Armour fans - in your opinion what Tamiya colour makes for a good Russian Green? If it looks green it will work I suppose with it being Russian!"

Dark green or Black green

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Friday, March 2, 2012 7:00 AM

I want to follow you if you post the build on here because I was going to order one soon myself.

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Just bought one Scrumptious looking kit - Dragon Soviet SU-85M
Posted by Hinksy on Friday, March 2, 2012 6:55 AM

Good morning chaps,

One hour ago the name 'Joto' (the name of my LHS flashed up on my mobile (sorry, cell) phone and that could mean only one thing - my recently ordered Dragon kit #6415 Soviet SU-85M Tank Destroyer (2-in-1 Premium Edition Kit) had arrived! My suspicions were confirmed upon answering my phone so I shot up there quickly to get it just now.

http://www.dragon-models.com/html/6415poster.htm

What a lovely looking kit. A simple looking build, an Aluminium 85mm barrel and a 100mm plastic one-piece barrel if you fancy making the SU-100 but I'll be building the '85.

I got the sprues out and made sure everything was present then had a quick look over the instructions. I thought I'd found my first error when I couldn't see the parts on the 'P' sprue called for - they were not blued out on the instructions. I eventually came across a line pointing to the walls of the casemate calling for two items from the 'P' sprue. Obviously these are the additional armour plating to slap on the side walls but I bet that tiny line pointing to the side wall has caused a few headaches amongst modellers!

Anyway, everything looks tidy, nice looking Magic Tracks, lot's of PE but most of the PE can be replaced by a supplied plastic part. Tbh the PE is all tie-downs etc so nothing complicated. Theres also a nice PE grille mesh for the rear deck.

What I was wondering is - was this SU-85M used during the Battle of Berlin? There are LOTS of colour schemes i.e. full green, green/white, full white and a green/DY for a cuptured SU that was in use by the Germans with a Belkenkreuz decal.

I'll be going for a rough looking green. The kit supplied different types of side cannisters for the fuel-you can either go for beaten up looking ones or one's that are in perfect condition. The same goes for the Fenders too.

Has anyone built this kit or got additional information or photos of the 85M? I obviously haven't had a chance to do a lot of homework yet but this will be the next build following completion of my Tiger '100'.

Another question for WWII Soviet Armour fans - in your opinion what Tamiya colour makes for a good Russian Green? If it looks green it will work I suppose with it being Russian!

All the best,

Ben Toast

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