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  • Member since
    April 2012
  • From: Ladysmith, BC, Canada
King Tiger Help
Posted by SnakeEyes097 on Friday, April 13, 2012 11:10 PM

First of all, I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask for help in.

I'm new to modelling, and I'm having some trouble with my model between inexperience and some bad advice that I got from another website and some people at my old model store, before I found FSM!

 

I am building a Tamiya King Tiger, but like I said I have made some mistakes, and I was wondering if people have any tips to help me fix them.

 

- I painted a lot of the larger hull and turret pieces in advance with Tamiya spray paint, but I was told I didn't have to prime it. Now the paint scratches off very easily. Would I be able to prime over what I already painted and repaint the model after it is all assembled, or will new paint just lift off because the base layer isn't primed?

- On the topic of pre-painting everything, now when I glue the smaller pieces where they go the glue doesn't seem to adhere very well (presumably because of the paint). I am using Testors Liquid Cement, and the glue dissolves the paint into gummy crud and makes an ugly mess. Is there a way to clean up around the smaller pieces?

- After learning that I should prime things, but before seeing that a person should build the model then paint, I primed all of the pieces remaining on the sprues. Is that a terrible thing?

- I am finding that I have gaps between some armor pieces, for example between the armor skirts and main hull. Is there a good way to fix it? I would try sprue-stretching, but now I'm hesitant to because the sprues all have paint and primer on them.

- I have of course painted the barrel. Is there a good way to hide the super obvious seam?

 

I am close to finishing the model, I just need to assemble the turret and get a few of the smaller pieces like hull machine gun and all the gear on the sides, but I am becoming increasingly unhappy with how this model is turning out. If anyone has any good tips I would really appreciate it. Some things that may help you to know with your suggestions: I got a double action airbrush for my birthday that I did not have when I started this model. I am using Tamiya acrylic paints. I have painted everything German Grey, even though I know it is not historically accurate, because I was afraid to try camouflage by hand for my first model. I believe I have all the hobby tool essentials, but I am willing to go pick up anything I do not have. The Tiger is currently in three main pieces: the lower hull, upper hull, and unassembled turret. I will post some photos later, after my camera charges and I figure out how to put them up. Any help would be truly appreciated! If anyone is interested in more info, please just let me know.

  • Member since
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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:02 AM

Welcome Snakeyes.

I'm not sure where you heard that you have to prime it? I've never primed any kits that I can recall.

You are correct to assume that painted parts don't adhere well.

For the seam, you'll have to sand it down and putty over it and then re-paint.

For pictures go to www.photobucket.com and set up an account. It's very easy to load photos. Just click the bottom action with the [img]..............[img] and paste into the thread.

 

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:34 AM

Welcome Snakeyes.  Smile

 

Exactly like Eric said. 

I use Bondo Glazing & Spot Putty to fill in seams.  You can find it easily at Canadian Tire and it's relatively inexpensive.  I'm almost exclusively using toothpicks to apply it.   Try to wet sand it if possible, the dust isn't good to breath. (or use a paper mask)

A visit to a beauty store's section (Shoppers Drug Mart, Zellers, Wal-Mart....) should give you a good choice of very good quality tweezers for around $10 that will last you a very long time......  I actually own more "Revlon" tweezers than my wife. Stick out tongue   I prefer the "flat" type without seration to hold parts during sanding, gluing, ect... You can also find inexpensive nails shapping sanding sticks there.  I personnally like the ones with 4 different grits on them.

Hope it helps!  Smile

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Central Wisconsin
Posted by Spamicus on Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:34 PM

I can't add much to what the other fellas have already said, but I would recommend that you don't get down because your first model didn't turn out very well. You'll find a ton of experienced modelers who make mistakes, mess things up and even once in a great while toss a kit. The main thing to keep in mind is try not to make the same mistakes on the next kit. As for me, my style of kit building is to build almost the complete model before I paint anything, unless I'm doing some interior detailing or the like. I don't always prime a model, but if I've used a lot of photo etch or resin I will just to have an even color base to work from. If you're going to use the kit's gun tube always glue it together and sand the seams before you paint. This is a great, but kind of expensive hobby, try to have some fun and keep that first build so you can compare it to the next and so on. You'll be surprised how quickly your skills improve.

Steve

  • Member since
    April 2012
  • From: Ladysmith, BC, Canada
Posted by SnakeEyes097 on Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:56 PM

Thanks for the kind words and advice, guys. It may be that I'm being too picky, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I have a few photos up now. I went out and got some Bondo Glazing & Spot Putty to fill in my gaps. I think my plan will be to finish the hull in two pieces, and the turret by itself, and I'll airbrush over the grey with the proper camouflage. This way it'll have that dark undercoat if I want to try and weather it later.

 

I thought you had to prime the pieces because like I said the Tamiya spray paint scratches off easily, but also because in a few magazine articles the builders always prime their tanks in the photos, although they seem to prime in red and all I have is grey. (FSM April 2012, pg 28-31 "Step-by-step desert weathering", FSM March 2012, pg 22-23 "Mastering late-war camo for a tank hunter", Military In-Scale Jan 2012, pg 16-20 "Isreal's Lion Cub, same issue, pg 22-29 "Snow Cat") Since those are literally the only three magazines I've acquired so far, but mostly because my spray paint was flaking off easily, I thought priming would be best. Then of course when I went to my model store, the guy there said priming is essential and sold me 2 cans of primer Wink

 

I'll post more photos as I go. Thanks again everyone for your advice and encouragement!

  • Member since
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  • From: Las Vegas
Posted by dood_dood on Sunday, April 15, 2012 11:12 AM

Relax and have fun.  That's what modeling is about.  Your skills will improve with experience.  Choosing a Tamiya kit to start was a good move.  I'd stay with them for a dozen kits or so.  Try their T-34s, they're a good, fast build.

Welcome!

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Central Wisconsin
Posted by Spamicus on Monday, April 16, 2012 10:33 AM

I took a look at your photos I didn't see any real disasters there. A little sanding, some putty, fresh paint and you're back in business. Welcome to the world of armor modelling, you'll find it's pretty forgiving.

Steve

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM

The time to really prime is when you have many multimedia items such as an aluminum barrel and PE parts. I wouldn't call it mandatory, but it will help adhere the paint better and make it more uniform a finish, but again I never really do it, except maybe the barrel.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: The Bluegrass State
Posted by EasyMike on Monday, April 16, 2012 1:25 PM

SnakeEyes097
...my spray paint was flaking off easily...

Flaking paint indicates poor surface preparation -- quite possibly left over mold release agent..  Did you wash your parts prior to painting?

FWIW:  I prime resin and metal.  I do not prime plastic.

Smile

 

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