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question re: revell/monogram M4 sherman 1/32

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  • Member since
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  • From: Cicero New York
Posted by mike-mike on Monday, April 23, 2012 12:35 AM

Greetings humans.

 This kit was recently gifted to me and I've since learned that it represents no specific production model. Is this so?  And if so would anyone know which model it can be most easily made into?

Also what changes are needed to make it into said vehicle? (I know...I"m pushing my luck).DevilYeah

Any help would just make my week...really!.Big Smile

Thanks in advance guys.

Just passing the time while waiting for the mothership.

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, April 23, 2012 7:52 AM

If it is a reissue of the old Monogram Hedgehog kit (sandbar armor and Cullin hedgerow cutter), it is a radial engined M4 direct vision hull with small hatches, 3-piece transmission cover, 75mm low bustle turret (no loader's hatch), narrow gun rotor, and early M3 style bogies.

Basically, it is a very early M4 and I'm not even sure if a version with such early features would have been in service beyond North Africa let alone with the features that place the tank in Normandy after D-Day (like the sandbag armor and hedgerow cutter). But I'm no Sherman expert so take my statement with a grain of salt.

The basic kit (less the sandbag armor and cutter) has the features of the original M4 as it came off the assembly line before any combat testing and modifications made to the production line.

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Posted by mike-mike on Monday, April 23, 2012 11:58 AM

Thanks for your help Rob. An african version would be cool. I'd rather not use the sandbags and cutter anyway.

Just passing the time while waiting for the mothership.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, April 23, 2012 12:06 PM

Thanks, Rob.

Good info to know.

I've been tempted lately to buy that kit as a practice piece.

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, April 23, 2012 12:44 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

I've been tempted lately to buy that kit as a practice piece.

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  • From: Oregon
Posted by falschimjager on Monday, April 23, 2012 4:54 PM

I believe the bog standard "M4" Sherman was used in decent numbers up until the end of the war, although it was not usually in the same squadrons as M4A1a or M4A3s

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 23, 2012 5:06 PM

Rob Gronovius

If it is a reissue of the old Monogram Hedgehog kit (sandbar armor and Cullin hedgerow cutter), it is a radial engined M4 direct vision hull with small hatches, 3-piece transmission cover, 75mm low bustle turret (no loader's hatch), narrow gun rotor, and early M3 style bogies.

Basically, it is a very early M4 and I'm not even sure if a version with such early features would have been in service beyond North Africa let alone with the features that place the tank in Normandy after D-Day (like the sandbag armor and hedgerow cutter). But I'm no Sherman expert so take my statement with a grain of salt.

The basic kit (less the sandbag armor and cutter) has the features of the original M4 as it came off the assembly line before any combat testing and modifications made to the production line.

Actually early M4s like that saw front line service (in decreasing numbers) right up to VE Day in Italy.

This shot of the 752nd Tank Battalion in Bologna Italy, April 1945 has one in the front row. 3rd from right.

 

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Posted by mike-mike on Monday, April 23, 2012 9:40 PM

So I basically just have to change the bogies or build it as is under the assumption that at least some M4's had the M3 bogies.

 I've seen a picture of an M4A1 with those M3 bogies so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Any thoughts?

Just passing the time while waiting for the mothership.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 23, 2012 9:53 PM

The early production M4s with the hull direct vision slots (DVS), bolted three piece transmission cover, and M34 mantlet, did indeed have the M3 bogies. Most M4s that had DVS had the M3 bogies. Around the time that the DVS was replaced with periscopesfor the driver and bow gunner was when the M4 bogies were introduced on the assembly line.

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by mike-mike on Monday, April 23, 2012 11:19 PM

I just learned there is a huge  issue with the tracks. The link connectors are stuck on the ends of each link as opposed to being attached between the links.

It's something I'm unwilling to overlook. And I certainly don't want to spend money on aftermarket tracks for such a lousy kit (even if I could find them in this scale).

ugh. What am I going to do with this thing?

Just passing the time while waiting for the mothership.

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, April 23, 2012 11:37 PM

                         Who needs tracks!

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, April 23, 2012 11:38 PM

Anybody remember that old movie "tank"?

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, April 23, 2012 11:47 PM

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:33 AM

disastermaster

                         Who needs tracks!

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:37 AM

mike-mike

I just learned there is a huge  issue with the tracks. The link connectors are stuck on the ends of each link as opposed to being attached between the links.

It's something I'm unwilling to overlook. And I certainly don't want to spend money on aftermarket tracks for such a lousy kit (even if I could find them in this scale).

ugh. What am I going to do with this thing?

That's a common problem with many tank models, including the M60/48 series by Tamiya and their older M3 Lee/Grant kits.

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  • From: On my kitchen counter top somewhere in North Carolina.
Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:04 PM

Shellback

 

 disastermaster:

 

                         Who needs tracks!

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