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Tank on a freeway
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 12:25 AM
remember a couple of years ago? there's a guy who stole a tank from an armory then drove the tank on the streets of california and the driver was gunned down (poor guy) when the tank got trapped on the dividers. i'm not sure about the details of the story but i just wanna ask what tank was it?
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, February 9, 2004 12:58 AM
Oh I saw that on Wildest Police Chases. Was it an M-60? I'm sure it wasn't an Abrams.

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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:06 AM
poor guy. was probably just a modeler who wanted some interior shots and decided to take it for a spin and.........

uhoh that's kinda scary.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:10 AM
That started in San Diego.....it was pretty awesome watching him on the news plow through RV's like they were matchsticks!!! On the news, people said they were upset, "because couldn't they keep the keys to the thing locked up better?" LOL Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:12 AM
Wouldn't you like to imitate him during rush hour?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:16 AM
Poor guy. Getting shot just because he was driving a stolen tank. Possibly the Government or police were too scared with a tank on their roads running away. Anyway, The M-60 tank is cool. How about a group Build?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:29 AM
Poor guy? From what I saw he was completly loony toons!

What I don't understand is why he had to be shot. I'm sure a can of teargas through one of the hatches would have done wonders. Either that or laughing gas..

Are the 60's still being used, by the way?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 3:49 AM
There are still M-60A3's over here in Germany, in Grafenwere ( SP) , the OPFOR use them to wipe us out when we play there. as well as a few other toys they have like old bell hueys painted up like hinds and hummvs dressed up like BMP's just to name a few others.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 5:01 AM
yup that's where i saw it, wildest police chase. cops shot the guy because they were afraid that the guy might load the tank and fire away. they opened the hatch and shot the guy. i think it's overkill. flashbangs or tear gas could incapacitate the guy.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 5:42 AM
there was still no need to kill him. he wasn't going anywhere, and there was no ammo on board. coulda just waited him out, or dropped in tear gas
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Posted by Keyworth on Monday, February 9, 2004 5:59 AM
In case you didn't see this guy in action, he knowingly destroyed large numbers of vehicles, some with people in them who managed to only just escape in time. He intentionally tried to knock down an active overpass and, when the LAPD and Sheriff's Dept officers finally had to use lethal force, he was in the process of attempting to drive over the median into oncoming traffic on the freeway. The only reason he didn't kill anyone is divine intervention. He was given the opportunity to surrender and instead gunned the engine. Poor guy? Hardly. As far as overkill or waiting him out, there was no time left for that. Too many lives in the balance. I hope you never have to make that decision.
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 6:23 AM
oh yah that's right Keyworth, he was trying to ram the overpass foundation that's why they opened fire.
anyways, my question is,
is it an M60? it might be a strange but kool diorama.
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Posted by Keyworth on Monday, February 9, 2004 8:18 AM
Sorry to digress. It was an M60 that he stole from a National Guard armory.
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 9:09 AM
The LAPD could not determine IF there was any ammo on board, and the guy had tried to kill several people aready and would have gone into oncoming traffic had he not gotten stuck on the divider. Oh and he was in the process of getting himself off when the shot him.

I loved the scene after he rammed the pedestian overpass with the K-9 unit dog snapping at the tank and all the deputies walking up with their 9mms drawn, like they were going to shot the tires out? put a hole in the fuel tank? OR just show the guy that they meant business.

Too bad they could not have gotten the Marines to dispatch a TOW Cobra or a TOW LAV for some live fire pratice. Air space was probably too crowded with the news helicopters circling around.
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, February 9, 2004 9:13 AM
that would have been interesting footage!!!! LOLWink [;)]Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 9:19 AM
I saw that video too.

I do believe it was an M60. Got it hung up on the freeway's center divider.

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Posted by mark956 on Monday, February 9, 2004 10:07 AM
That footage was in a number of shows. I have seen the clip on Spike TV and on the Discovery channel. I recall it was an M60.
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Posted by wipw on Monday, February 9, 2004 10:16 AM
I agree with Keyworth and Aikinut. Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Who knew what else he had stowed away in that tank. If he could get his hands on that, he could have gotten something else, too. You just can't take chances with homicidal nut cases. My 2 cents [2c]


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Posted by Abastyr on Monday, February 9, 2004 10:39 AM
I bet there's a clip of that on the internet somewhere. I'd like to see that again.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 10:51 AM
maybe he's a modeler, dropped his newly built M60 while putting it on the display case so he went berserk. hehe.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, February 9, 2004 11:13 AM
While that was an amazing and fascinating spectacle, the guy was obviously doing his best to destroy as much property and any people that may have gotten in his way as he could . As was mentioned before, it's an absolute miracle that nobody other than the lunatic himself was hurt. I didn't realize he was killed. Unfortunate, but had he gotten that M-60 free of the highway divider and into the oncoming traffic, there's no telling how many people would have been killed, even with one track slung off.
The cops did what they had to do.

On the plus side, at least now we know what an M-60 can do to a Winnebago.
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 11:14 AM
Naw, he was just a loony with no regard for human life. Somebody call the Census Bureau and tell them to revise their dirtbag count!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 12:11 PM
Poor Guy? Angry [:(!] What a disgusting comment! SoapBox [soapbox] This guy exactly what he deserved! Dead [xx(]
BTW: Tear gas and flash-bangs would have been fatal in the confines of a tank (suffocation and concussion).

It was definately an M-60
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Posted by addunbar on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:35 PM
I found a German site displaying this tank as the one involved in this incident:
http://www.filmtage-augsburg.de/bilder/tuf/uasweb/culdesac02.jpg

Here are a couple of stills showing the tank in action:
http://www.becksincrediblefilmfest.co.nz/images/cul.jpg
http://www.filmthreat.com/UploadImages/culdesac1X.jpg

There was an independent film made about this story, in 2002 , called "Cul De Sac: A Suburban War Story". If you do a Google search on this film title you will find out more about the guy, Shawn Nelson, who stole the tank.

I was hoping to find a link to the actual news footage. I did find that American University acquired a copy of the "Cul de Sac" video back in December 2003 -- VHS 7270. They may be willing to loan it out (http://www.library.american.edu/).

Here is an article about the incident from the San Diego Union Tribune:
http://beggingdogrecords.tripod.com/tank.html

HTH

Alex
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:48 PM
The tank in question was an M60A1 RISE/Passive tank. The M60A3TTS left Regular Army service around the Gulf War (except for the CMTC's OPFOR as mentioned above). The National Guard used either the M60A1 RISE/Passive or M60A3TTS beyond the Desert Storm timeframe. The USMC used the M60A1 RISE/Passive through Desert Storm as well.

The public was in no danger from the main gun of that tank. The gun was in travel lock the whole time so there was no way to traverse the turret or elevate or depress the main gun even if there was a full crew with ammo in the tank. Most tanks have the firing pin removed and stored in the arms room vault so the main gun couldn't be fired any way.

Additionally, a tank is a crew served weapon meaning it takes a crew of men to operate it. When someone is driving, they are not even in the turret so there is no way to drive and fire the guns if only one person is inside. Disregard what you saw in the Rambo movie (#3?).

Once the tank was hung up on the divider, it was basicallly immobile. The police could have tossed a flashbang or stun grenade inside the turret once they popped the hatch. There was probably no need to shoot the guy, but you could never be sure that the driver didn't have a pistol. I think if they tossed a tear gas canister inside and shut the hatch, that the driver would have come out on his own.

All that being said, the tank itself is a deadly weapon and the driver did attempt to kill bystanders with the tank. He probably got what he deserved, although he probably needed mental help more than a bullet.
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:48 PM
no, even if they had taken him peacefully what would they have done with him??? stick him in jail or an asylum??? he would have ended up killing someone in there probably.
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Posted by addunbar on Monday, February 9, 2004 2:04 PM
This from one of the several film reviews about the film "Cul De Sac: A Suburban War Story". It provides a profile of Shawn Nelson, the guy who stole the tank. It also takes us a bit off-topic.

"In May 1995, the San Diego area was witness to one of the weirdest criminal activities. An unemployed plumber named Shawn Nelson stole a tank from a National Guard compound and drove it wildly through the streets of the suburb of Clairemont, running down light posts, fire hydrants and parked vehicles (but, thankfully, not any people). Nelson gave the police a lengthy chase before he got the tank stuck on a highway divider. The police surrounded the immobilized tank, pried it open with bolt cutters and ordered Nelson to come out. When Nelson refused, the police opened a fatal volley of gunfire into the tank.

"Shawn Nelson was only 35 when he was killed, yet his brief life was riddled with considerable problems. An Army veteran who left the service to become a plumber, Nelson fell into a severe drug and alcohol habit. He also became obsessed with the notion that his backyard was home to a gold mine, and the surplus of his time became devoted to digging a mineshaft in search of the buried treasure. (The film estimates the shaft went either 17 or 25 feet into the ground--no one seems to have an accurate measurement.) Nelson's pre-occupation with his gold hunt led him to file for a mineral rights permit with the municipal government.

"Unfortunately, Nelson's numerous demons eventually overpowered him. Physically and financially bankrupt, facing a foreclosure on his mortgage and unable to pay for his various addictions, Nelson planned to make one final statement against a world which he felt betrayed him. Recalling his Army training and remembering the National Guard had a compound in his neighborhood, Nelson stole the tank and went on his destructive joyride.

"The film never explains how he was able to get the tank away from the National Guard, and no one from the National Guard is interviewed here. "Cul de Sac: A Suburban War Story" does interview Nelson's brother and friends, nearly all of whom (it seems) share some of his pharmaceutical or drinking habits. Their recollections of Nelson are, on the whole, charitable: clearly the man had acute problems, yet the people interviewed here are kind enough to point out Nelson's finer traits and kindness (most notably allowing the neighborhood kids to play in the dirt piles dug up from his mine and his offer to help train other drug addicts in learning how to become a plumber). Nelson was not a stupid man, by any stretch, as his backyard mine was a model of professional engineering and his bookcase was packed with volumes on mining; that he would consider filing for mineral rights, while seemingly ludicrous on the surface, was actually an intelligent idea if the brief possibility of gold on his property actually proved to be correct. Watching the film, it is heartbreaking to realize no one (either Nelson or anyone around him) was able to channel his talents properly."

Alex
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Posted by Darkhorse3 on Monday, February 9, 2004 3:02 PM
This event happened in San Diego. The guy stole a M-60 from a National Guard armory. The drivers hatch was not secured properly. He worked it lose and crawled through the hatch. He ended up on the 163 freeway where he attempted to climb over the concrete freeway divider. He tried to cross the divider at an angle and was hung up on it. He then threw a track. In my day, that was called a mobility kill. He wasn't going anywhere no matter how much he rev'd the engine. The turret was in travel lock. The cops climbed up the back of the tank and cut off the the lock on the loader's hatch. The guy wouldn't come and that is when they shot him. He didn't have gun and after he was hung up, he didn't pose an immediate threat. The cop afterward bragged about how he used him military knowledge to gain access to the tank. In other words, he cut the lock off the hatch. If he had any military knowledge, he would have known that the tank was dead. If they were so concerned about the engine reving, they could have opened the covers over the engine and popped the fuel quick disconects.

Howard Irwin Old not bold flier
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Posted by mark956 on Monday, February 9, 2004 4:14 PM
I remember from the clip that he drove right through a camper parked on the street. What destruction that tank caused. Can you even think what he would have done if the tank didn't get stuck on the center median.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 5:49 PM
im not sure where i heard it but I think he was durnk... maybe just a rumor... lol who the hell steals a tank just for the interior shots??? If i did it, i would have put it to more use... like a modeling contest lol...cant lose with that replica... right down to the real engine and working gun system... jk
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