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German tank experts wanted
Posted by MiG-29 on Friday, June 29, 2012 4:05 AM
Hey my fellow modellers,
I have a few questions concerning my Tamiya 1/35 Jagdtiger mid production variant. This is my first armour build.

First question is about the side skirts. The kit does not include any in it and I am wondering if they are an after market upgrade or did this variant not come out of production with them on.

Second is the colour scheme. Did any come out with that plain dark yellow colour or only just the yellow/brown/green scheme. The kit also does not mention any zimmerit coatings.

Third is, what are the differences between a Jagdtiger and a Jagdpanther? They look very similar and I mistakenly purchased a photo etch set for a Jagdpanther for my Jagdtiger. I hope they are interchangable!

Thanks for the help in advance!

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Posted by P mitch on Friday, June 29, 2012 5:02 AM

To try and answer your questions and I'm not an expert compaired to some of the people on here

First yes some of the mid productions had side skirts but if the molding is a specific vehicle they may have been taken off or been knocked off which id happen.

Second I think most where in the three colour scheme but its your build so you can use one colour if you want.

Third is easy to answer jagdtiger is based on the tiger tank jagdpanther is based on the panther completely different tanks and I'd be surprised if more than a few parts could be used on both.

Hope that helps

Phil

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, June 29, 2012 5:58 AM

Do you mean side skirts like the rectangle plates held on by brackets (schurzen) or do you mean the fenders above the suspension?  Yes, aftermarket PE sets exist for the latter.  The Jagdtiger did not have schurzen.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, June 29, 2012 6:03 AM

In regards to colour, they left the factory in Yellow, the other colours were applied in the field.

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, June 29, 2012 6:53 AM

I am going to guess the compatibility of the\r PE set will be very limited.  With this being you 1st armor build... you may as well go buy the right PE set for the Jagdtiger.  Aslo but a Jagdpanther kit to use the PE set you already have.   Tanks are like potato chips.  betcha can't build just one.

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Posted by MiG-29 on Friday, June 29, 2012 9:01 AM
Thanks for the replies. I mean those sheet metal parts that look like a gaurd of some sort running across the side of the tank kind of hiding the top of the tracks. not sure if they are side skirts or not, or schurzen. I have the otto carius Jagdtiger edition. Any info on the zimmerit coatings of a late war Jagtiger?

I was hoping the PE would be similer. I may just get a Jagdpanther kit as well down the track =) what are your thoughts on after market tow cables? Are they worth it?

Thanks once again.

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Posted by EasyMike on Friday, June 29, 2012 9:06 AM

Try Google > Images.  You will almost certainly kick up pix of several different vehicles.

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, June 29, 2012 10:00 AM

The short answer is big improvement over the molded plastic kit cables. I have used Eureka XXL cables many time and they look great.  Wroth it?  it was to me.  Can't say if it will be to you.  Sometime you gotta try something once to decide what's in store for future decisions.

The parts you are talking about sounds like the fenders... as in the shot below of one I did a few years back.   As stated, no schurtzen on the JT.  based on the King Tiger chassis they did have them.   Fallen off, blasted off or simply taken off and could well be that a vehicle may not have them at all. It would depend on the vehicle you're trying to portray.  I showed mine with a couple of sections missing.  They are PE AM fenders BTW.

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, June 29, 2012 10:02 AM

Jagdtiger

edit... OK can't get the pic to show but if ya click it you'll see it.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, June 29, 2012 10:36 AM

To answer your question There is a large difference between the Jadgtiger and the Jagdpanther.

The first is that there is a big difference in size. The Jagdpanther was built on the Panther chassis and mounted the 88mm L/71 main gun while the Jagdtiger was buily on the Tiger II chassis and mounted a whopping 128mm Pak 44 L/55 main gun. Both guarenteed to give Allied and russian tankers a very bad day.

Only  85 of these beasts were actually built and left the factory in the standard dark yellow overall. There are several variants of the RAL colour for this and the rest of the three tone camo was to be applied in the field by the crews. Due to operational curcumstances this was not often done and the tanks would have gone into combat either in the dark yellow overall or very late in the war olive green overall.

When the tank left the factory there were indeed sideskirts fitted, but these could be removed. quite a few crews did remove these or they were lost during operational use.

If there are no side skirts in the kit and you want to add some then check out Eduards website and check that you get the correct etch for the correct kit and manufacturer. Don't throw the Jadgpanther etch out though. Just get the correct kit to use it on and put them side by side. Perfect excuse for another armour project!

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Posted by MiG-29 on Friday, June 29, 2012 9:05 PM
Thanks for the detailed replies! I will definatley get another photo etch suited to it. Aber models PE looks good too. not sure if ill buid it with or without side skirts yet, I like the look of both anyway. Think ill look into an upgraded tow cable as well. Do you armour builders purchase and use those aftermarket track links much? They cost as much as the model really!

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:54 AM

I'm not sure which track links you mean. Fruils are the most expensive, they are the metal ones, and i love em. I think the cost of those put some people off and i know a few guys use other makes of tracks.I am sure there will be cheaper options.

I've replaced all my kits with the Tamiya type tracks with Fruils, that over 20 sets. If it wasn't for the price i would replace my Dragon kit tracks as well.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:22 AM

Using aftermarket parts can significantly improve the model kit. It just depends how far you want to go. As this is your first armour build and not knowing how much model building you have done I don't want to sound condesending but would like to offer what I think is some sound advice.

Welcome to the dark side of modelling. Armour building can be both easy and hard to do. like all modelling there is lots of research to do on top of that already done by the kit producers, especially if you are looking to build a perticular vehicle.

Don't overload yourself with your first armour build wih lots of aftermarket parts and add-ons. Doing this can lead to frustration and in the end disappointment.

THe reason why I am saying this is that although I don't know your level of skill, but you have said that this is your first amour build then my immediate recommendation is the KISS system (Keep It Simple, Stupid). You have to build up your skills slowly and don't try to run before you can walk especially with armour. Working with an armour kit is pretty easy but working with etched brass sets isn't. you have to develop the skills for bending metal and the use of cyrowhateverthenameis (superglue). One wrong move and not only is the part glued to the wrong place permanently but IMHE me too!

you have a lifetime to develop these skills and produce stunning builds. Keep this armour build simple and out of the box and then, as you already have a Jagdpanther etched set get that kit and have a bash at using the set. Don't worry about tracks at the moment because you can always add them at a much later date.

looking forwards to seeing your build progress on here.

James

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