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Questions regarding the uses of coloured Primers and Satin Varnishes:

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  • Member since
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  • From: Rugby, England
Questions regarding the uses of coloured Primers and Satin Varnishes:
Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:05 PM

Hello chaps,

Sorry I haven't been on this page much but I've been concentrating all my efforts on my entry for Tigerman's GB, 'Steel Cats'. I'm building the Dragon 6383 Tiger I Ausf E with Zim.

My efforts today saw a couple of questions raised in my head and I'm hoping you can help?

I stocked up on all things varnish, AK and Vallejo and my order arrived this morning allowing me to crack on with my build (I'm switching to Vallejo paints as my main paint with Tamiya as my secondry - I'm loving their Model Air range right now).

  •  When I placed the order I ordered my usual Vallejo Grey airbrushable primer but also ordered some smaller bottles of Rotbraun and Dunkelgelb coloured primers from the same range - not sure why but I why not? This time I've primed this build with grey as I'm planning to try a pre-shade. Why would you want to use a coloured primer like these instead of grey as you are going to paint over it anyway? Can it be used to your benefit? I know wbill usually uses a primer coat of MM Italian Dark Brown (I'm unsure of the proper name). Any ideas?
  •  I also bought some Satin Vallejo varnish. I usually paint then gloss the areas I'm going to decal then after decaling I'll spray gloss again - sometimes all-over depending on what I'm planning to do. I then matt coat at the end before adding loose pigment etc.
  • Where does Satin come into the mix? Does it take the place of something else? Sometimes I don't like the super glossy finish that is left after decals - should Satin be used instead?

Thanks guys,

If you can help at all I'd be very grateful Toast

Take care,

Ben Cool 

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:21 PM

Personally i use Panzer Gray as my primer . I like a dark color for primer because it shows up imperfections better than a lighter color . Think about painting a car black versus white . The black is going to show every ripple where as they wont show up as well in white .Thats probably why Bill uses a dark brown .

As far as satin it might be better than a flat . For me a flat paint causes a rough surface and has to be glossed over anyway for decals . So a satin could make a smoother surface . I agree with using a gloss coat for a base before decals . I use Future now ..dont know what you call it over there .

Thats about all i can offer Ben . See you back at the Cats .Yes

  • Member since
    August 2012
  • From: Parker City, IN.
Posted by Rambo on Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:01 PM

I've found that if the main color is going to be dark yellow or a green other than drab then a dark primer like brown or a hull red will give you a warmer tone if you airbrush and build up thin layers of the base color also you can add some liq. mask to some spots that will show a lot of wear then after the base coat is on rub it off to show the primer under it. I seen a Stug B. that was primed with german grey then liq. mask applied using a sponge to make scratches and larger areas of wear then very thin dark yellow painted over and rubbed off to show the factory german grey under

Clint

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:19 PM

Ben,

Carl's right...the choice of primer color is influenced by 2 factors mainly. The first is what you're using the primer for and the second is the colors that will go on after the primer. I work with kits that are molded in light gray plastic usually so the darker color helps ensure I don't have any bare plastic surfaces and it also happens to be a durable paint that's excellent over metal parts, so I kill two birds with one stone there.

Others will use the primer coat to "pre-shade" for monotone schemes, so they will lay down a light colored primer, then apply a dark 'pre-shade' color such as black or dark brown or even dark green depending, and they use the lighter primer color to contast with the pre-shade lines when they apply the base coat color over it.

As with many things in the hobby, it all boils down to what you're aiming for and there's no one magic single answer for the 'why' things are done. HTH! Beer

  • Member since
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  • From: Rugby, England
Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:52 AM

Cheers guys - very helpful answers as usual!

Any more thoughts re the Satin Varnish?

Ben

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:56 PM

Satin , i was thinking that  It would probably be a good scale finish for glossy 1/48th aircraft ......Zip it!.... but we are talking about armor here so other than what i mentioned in my first post i cant think of any more uses .Yes

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  • From: Rugby, England
Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:39 PM

Cheers Carl,

I'll have a Google around on the old 'interweb and see what I can learn about it's uses.

Cheers buddy,

Ben Toast

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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