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Christmas Panther and a quick kit question?

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Christmas Panther and a quick kit question?
Posted by Hinksy on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:04 PM

Hi guys,

Merry Christmas fellas! Gift Beer

A couple of things - I hope a couple of you have built this kit? First off - here's my pressie from the parents!

I really like the box art scheme - looks tricky but definately do-able!

Here are the three schemes:

  • Box art DY basecoat with Olivgrun:

  • An odd one here - DY Basecoat with Olivgrun stripes and marks and Rotbraun dots (I think)! 

  • This is an interesting one and a possibility as anything Eastern Front is pefect! It's an Olivgrun Basecoat with patches of Rotbraun:

This should help - I found a picture of all three on the back of the box in colour. I like the box art and the third one. I reckon that hard edged scheme could be damn tricky? 

Then I noticed this in the instructions - does this mean I won't be able to use Friuls? What will I be doing here? I don't get this bit?

See circled area below - Why do I have to make up 8 x special links for the Drive Sprocket? Like I say - does this rule out Friuls?

Cheers guys,

Obviously I won't be building this straight away as I'm building the Elefant first but the track thing made me think - what the hell! Tongue Tied

Has anyone got good photos of these late Panther G's? How would you obtain the very hard edged scheme on the tank?

Cheers guys,

Ben Toast

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Posted by terry35 on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:56 PM
Hi, Ben, hard edge scheme, hand paint it, the olive green and dunklegelb could be one from the factory, these ones with the steel wheel on the rear most station are of MAN manufacture, you are quite limited in the scope available on this one. I think it's worth an investment in reference on this one.

Terry

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:14 PM

Ben

I am working on a Panther A and the tracks are the same.  The magic tracks don't fit the sprocket very well.  I got 'em to fit but it was tedious for a moment.  I was not paying attention tot he sheet.  Those separate links are specifically to fit better on the sprocket.  Shouldn't rule out Friuls at all.  And usually if the is a fit issue with the Friuls they give the correct sprocket with the tracks. 

Marc  

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Posted by Hinksy on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:15 PM

That would be a good call Terry. I've got a few months before I build it so there's plenty of time to look at books etc.

Cheers buddy Beer

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:22 PM

To get a hard-edge camo scheme, Silly Putty or whatever you chaps across the pond call it, seems to be the method of choice.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by terry35 on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:28 PM
You will get silly putty on E-bay couple of pounds.

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Posted by novembergray on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:40 PM

Isn't that paint scheme about the same as the splinter camo on the Stukas?

Joe

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, December 25, 2012 11:36 PM

Stukas were painted to precise RLM specifications.  Has nothing to do with a tank factory's guidelines.

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Posted by Blitzwing on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:46 AM

Doog did an awesome hard edged camo by spraying first and then sharpening the lines with a brush in this thread.

cs.finescale.com/.../151484.aspx

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Posted by Hinksy on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:46 AM

Cheers everyone Yes

I thought it was you guys who had Silly Putty - we only have Blu-Tack (or poster putty). Andy Deafpanzer sent me a few 'eggs' of Silly Putty a year back. Not needed it yet but it's good to know it's there.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll be building my Elefant first but wanted to ask about this kit as the track thing really threw me!

Cheers guys,

Ben Toast

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:49 AM

Ben, for the hard edged camo, i would go with White tac. Silly putty isn'tthat easy to get hold of but i find white tac works a treat. Terry is right in that these vehicles were built by MAN, and they were produced in March and April 1945. I am only guessing here, but i would say those paint schemes are speculative anyway. There don't seem to be any photos of these in service from what i can find.

Looking forward to seeing you build this. Got this kit on my to buy list, so will be watching closley.

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:33 AM

Ben,

Check out this .pdf-I found it while researching camo schemes for the same Panther G Late kit for Eric's Steel Cats GB-I still haven't decided which one to go with. 

www.rctankregiment.com/rctankforum/download/file.php?id=2600

hope it helps.

Bob

 

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Posted by novembergray on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:31 AM

Roy, I was referring to the edge lines. I can't tell from the photo if the edges are squared or not.

Joe

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Posted by Hinksy on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:06 AM

Thanks guys!

So did this very late G see active service? I understand there's some Confused regarding the paint schemes. I like all three but the box art scheme and the third scheme are the one's I really like.

Cheers guys,

 

Ben Toast

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:13 AM

Ben,

I have seen several postings on the web stating that the second scheme (Balaton) was actually a standard camo scheme with white wash & mud.  Can't find the link though....Bang Head  Bison makes a decal for the same tank and it is similar to the Dragon scheme so who is to say?

The first scheme has been documented as both yellow/green & red primer/green-your choice.

Third scheme-I think that there is also a b&w pic floating around on the web someplace-but it doesn't help much but it does 'document' the scheme.

Looking forward to watching you build your Panther.

Bob

 

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Posted by Hinksy on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:39 PM

Hi Bob,

I've done a bit of research and although I may be wrong it would seem that this kit represents the VERY late war Panther G from MAN (with the single Steel-Wheel at the rear).

This should help you, Bob http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6268.htm

After bit of research it would seem that Olivgrun would have been the basecoat and I'm going to have to choose between the box art scheme which is hard edged Dunky over Olivgrun or the Rotbraun over Olivgrun. It seems that Olivgrun was ordered as the basecoat on these MAN Panther G's.

The other scheme in the middle of the three shown below (with the DY and Rotbraun stripes), it seems, is only found on MNH Panther G's? 

I'm sure you guys can correct me if I'm wrong but it makes sense, given the options on the box. 

Ben Toast

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:07 PM

Thank you Ben.

Bob

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 2:16 PM

Bob

 

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Posted by P mitch on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 2:22 PM

Ben

I'm building a Panther D at the moment with the same "extra" track links and they fit into the magic tracks fine. As said its so they fit in the drive sprockets better, but they are still a tight fit. if I think its worth it I'll post some pictures so you can see

Phil

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Posted by Hinksy on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:58 PM

Hi Bob,

I get a blank page open up when I click on that link, Bob? The tab says 'Armorarma' but the page is totally blank Crying

Ben Toast

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:04 PM

Ben-sorry...I don't know what happened....did the same thing to me when I clicked the link...

Anyway, this is a clunky way to do it, but here is the Google search-The Armorama link is the one I was referencing:

http://www.google.com/search?q=panther+g+late+balaton&hl=en&oq=panther+g+late+balaton&gs_l=heirloom-serp.12...2909.9489.0.12321.24.21.1.1.1.0.390.3051.9j9j1j2.21.0...0.0...1c.1.T05pCp_ierA

Bob

 

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Posted by Hinksy on Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:32 PM

Cheers Bob,

Great photos - excellent stuff Yes

It's amazing - you think you have learnt a fair bit and then all this new stuff comes along!

This is going to be this years 'BIG BUILD' ie time, effort, money and lots of research. It does seem that the kit can be built as as the non-MAN version as it has the normal road wheel to put in place of the steelie but why do that? I already have a Zimmed Panther G and I'm going to take this opportunity to build the MAN Panther G.

I'll be using Friuls and I'd like to try a bit of an upgrade with PE so watch this space.

But before I start this I'll be building my Dragon Elefant (starting this weekend) then we'll see. I've got a few kits that I want to build asap in the stash!

I want to use the box art scheme - DY patches over an Olivgrun basecoat - so I'll be looking into that. I want to get it right first time so I'll be playing around with masking options. If it wasn't hard-edged I'd be laughing but this has the potential to get messed up real easy.

I'll see what books and stuff I can pick up at our local big(ish) Show in March.

If anyone wants to chime in with helpful links and/or photos please, post away! wink 2

Take care,

Ben thumbs up 

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