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Help! Advice re: prime movers/heavy haulers in WWII

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  • Member since
    October 2011
Posted by Richdlc on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:25 AM

I'm wondering if any of you armour buffs can help?

I'm building a dio of a B-17 fuselage (1/32) on a trailer, pulled by a suitable vehicle (1/35) - I want to do an 8th Air Force machine being recovered in England by both USAAF and US Army personnel & vehicles.  If that's not possible, i would show the aircraft being recovered from the field in France post D-Day.

I bought the fantastic Accurate Armour Diamond T-969 Wrecker at great expense.  I have the trailer from Tamiya's Dragon Wagon kit.  I'll modify it into a 40 foot Federal C2 Trailer as used by the USAAF.

Halfway through building the Diamond T I realised that, d'uh, it isn't a hauler!  It is capable of towing a trailer (with a towbar) but the trailer I'm building attaches to one of those Horseshoe-shaped trailer hitches on the rear of a suitable hauler.  In real life the Federal did manufacture an optional dolly - for the 25 foot version of the trailer.  I haven't seen any photos of it attached to the 40 foot trailer, although I suppose it was possible.

Either way - I doubt the Diamond T wrecker would be capable of pulling a 40 foot trailer with a B-17 fuselage on it (and don't forget it is just the fuselage) because even minus the wings, a B-17 fuselage has to weigh in the region of 9 to 10 tonnes.

Through souring the net I have ascertained that the Scammell Pioneer Tank Transporter is an option.  Unfortunately we are talking Accurate Armour, and another £180.00 - which I just can't afford.

Option 2 would be the Real Model 1/35 Autocar U7144T Tractor - there are two problems here - the max towing capacity of the Autocar was 20,000 lbs - around 9.07 tonnes - I think just below what I need for this heavy load.  Problem 2 is that the kit is apparently terrible

Option 3 would be another Real Models kit - the Federal 94x43.  This vehicle had a towing capacity of 30,000 lbs (13.6 tonnes)

Option 4 - use the M-26 Dragon Wagon cab & depict it pulling the Federal C2 trailer

What I would like to know is:

1) does anyone know the actual weight of just a B-17 fuselage with wings & tailplanes (but not tail) removed?

2) Would the Federal 94x43 be able therefore to tow both the weight of a 40 foot trailer plus the B-17 fuselage?

3) Would it be realistic to depict said vehicle an trailer in a diorama based in late-War England?

4) If I have to use the Dragon Wagon cab as the prime hauler, again would it be realistic to show it in a diorama based in England?  Was this vehicle used only in Europe?

I really appreciate any help here!

Rich

  • Member since
    March 2004
  • From: Spartanburg, SC
Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:32 AM

The empty weight of a B-17 was around 18 tons. The engines weighed a total of 2.4 tons. I would say the wings and landing gear were pretty hefty, say about 2.5 tons each? The tail would probably weigh about a ton. The armament would probably be removed, too. say about a half ton. That would add up to about 9 tons. That would leave a 9 ton carcass. They could have trimmed the wreckage to fit the trailer and who says that GIs would give a flip if the load was a bit heavy for the vehicle? They didn't pay for it, if it breaks, too bad.

 But why would they be trying to salvage the thing in the first place? Is it an aluminum drive?  

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  • Member since
    October 2011
Posted by Richdlc on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:36 AM

Hi - that's useful info thanks....

you're right - I know that brand new squadrons of planes were just surplus to requirements & scrapped - which is why I wanted to do the diorama in England, circa 1944 - an aircraft that has force landed, say, a few miles from the airbase & is being recovered by a suitable vehicle - plan is to have a crowd of USAAF / Army personnel and civilians watching the proceedings

Hmmm - guess I will have to re-think the idea of doing a post-D-Day scene & focus more on basing the diorama in the UK

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