Hey, That's a Nice Green for Soviet WW2 Armor!

MonsterZero

Member since
July 2003
From: Chicago, USA

Hey, That's a Nice Green for Soviet WW2 Armor!

Posted by MonsterZero on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:19 PM

Tamiya Dark Green, XF-61. Tamiya's color chart online shows it as dark grey so don't bother. Instruction manual for Tamiya T34/76 ChTz (in construction on my desk now) recommends this color and they're right. As a kid growing up in Central Euorpe I've seen tons of Soviet tanks in museums and as standalone roadside monuments and this color was the most common. I think this is is.

Tamiya's NATO Green XF-67 (which I used to airbrush my JS-3M Stalin) is likely not the correct Soviet WW2 color even though a number of folks have recommended it. Nevertheless, modelers can always excuse themselves by claiming that the factory where the actual tank was built was out of regulation paint and they used whatever was available. This happened a lot in real life.
Big Smile [:D]

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kaleu

Member since
February 2003
From: Racing capital of the world- Indy

Posted by kaleu on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:50 PM

I also tried XF-61 and thought it was too dark, so I switched to XF-65 (field gray) and I am very happy with the results. I just wish Humbrol would come back out with their russian color (#114). It is the best that I have used.

Erik "Don't fruit the beer." Newest model buys: More than I care to think about. It's time for a support group.

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wildwilliam

Member since
December 2009
From: West Grove, PA

Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:04 PM

i shot my T34/85 w/ XF-61.
i did not use it straight from the jar tho. instead, i
lightened it a bit w/ flat white & shot everything that had to be green.
then i added a bit of 'Deck Tan' (tamiya XF-55, i think) and sprayed over everything
but the wheels, bottom and under the fenders.
then i added some more deck tan, and shot the horizontal surfaces again.
then i added some more, and shot some highlights.

(see the weekend group build thread for the other pics)

i like the way the color looks, but i have never seen a real T-34.

ed.

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MonsterZero

Member since
July 2003
From: Chicago, USA

Posted by MonsterZero on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:42 PM

I was going to spray all top falt surfaces (turret top, engine deck, forward armor plate) with a very, very subtle shade of base green + white to simulate sun bleaching. I may instead use light buff (similar to your tan) for the same purpose. Buff is my standard highlight drybrushing color.

QUOTE: Originally posted by wildwilliam

i shot my T34/85 w/ XF-61.
i did not use it straight from the jar tho. instead, i
lightened it a bit w/ flat white & shot everything that had to be green.
then i added a bit of 'Deck Tan' (tamiya XF-55, i think) and sprayed over everything
but the wheels, bottom and under the fenders.
then i added some more deck tan, and shot the horizontal surfaces again.
then i added some more, and shot some highlights.

(see the weekend group build thread for the other pics)

i like the way the color looks, but i have never seen a real T-34.

ed.

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mark956

Member since
February 2003
From: USA

Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:12 PM

Very nice looking T-34 Ed. Thanks for posting the picture
mark956

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:49 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MonsterZero

I was going to spray all top falt surfaces (turret top, engine deck, forward armor plate) with a very, very subtle shade of base green + white to simulate sun bleaching.

I'm actually going to do a white oil wash on my Panther -- a very light mix of mineral spirits and white oils. I'll be posting pics when it dries so people can see how it looks.

I have to gloss coat the kit first though. Tongue [:P]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:52 PM

Hey Ed I like your T-34/85. Nice job.

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Buddho

Member since
March 2003
From: Newport News VA

Posted by Buddho on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:35 PM

Great looking T 34/85....Ed

Dan

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:44 AM

Nice T-34/85.

One thing for sure, the Testors Russian Amour Green is not a very good match, too blue.

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wildwilliam

Member since
December 2009
From: West Grove, PA

Posted by wildwilliam on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:10 AM

Thanks guys!
it was a weekend quickie that i did for the 'weekend group build' this past weekend.
i did most of it Friday after work and Saturday.
but i must confess that i had started the kit in December, cleaning up the wheels and putting some of the upper hull together.

i had read (probably here or in FSM abt using tan or buff instead of white to lighten some colors.
so i used white first, to get the 'scale effect' and my base color,
then the tan for the bleaching effects.

ed.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:43 AM

I thought you should use yellow to lighten green? I'd use a light tan-ish colour added to the green, personally.

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wildwilliam

Member since
December 2009
From: West Grove, PA

Posted by wildwilliam on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:51 AM

Michaelvk,
not sure as i am not artist, not have i taken any classes.
just read somewhere that adding more & more white does not
get the proper look.
i would think yellow would shift the color (or is it hue?) away from the 'olive'
to a more aircraft interior green or zinc chromate look.
Tamiya has a 'recipe' in their Wildcat instructions for interior green that is
(i think) 2 parts flat yellow, 1 part flat green.
(or is it the other way around? in any case, that would be my concern w/ using yellow)

ed.

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Build22

Member since
May 2003
From: Upstate NY

Posted by Build22 on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:29 AM

I've seen XF-13 look good for Russian armor (J.A. Green - Japaneses Armor Green)

Jim [IMG]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:21 AM

Found a nice mix for soviet green on a t-55 web site. It is 3 parts XF-58 and 1 part XF-21 Sky. Sky is kind of a funny green color and XF-58 is olive. Comes out for a real nice base coat.

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zokissima

Member since
July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:43 PM

I've used model master dark green in the past. If undercoated with white, it seems almost perfect. You can even mix in a bit of white to lighten up the colour, albeit a drop or two go a LOOOOOOONG way

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TomZ2

Member since
January 2003
From: Washington, DC

Posted by TomZ2 on Monday, March 15, 2004 2:40 PM

Duplicating 4BO is a major pain. Banged Head [banghead]

The real stuff was delivered as components and the formula [40-60% Ochre; 15-20% Kron (zinc hydrochromate) Dead [xx(]

; 10-20% Zinc White; and 8-13% Ultramarine] has wide error bands. Worse, left to itself, the stuff blackens as it ages, and exposed to weather, it whitens. In other words, in the real world it's both lightening AND darkening at the same time! Confused [%-)]

I played around with acrylics and found that Olive [NOT Olive Drab] is a pretty fair match for the basic 4BO color. Whistling [:-^]

Occasional factual, grammatical, or spelling variations are inherent to this thesis and should not be considered as defects, as they enhance the individuality and character of this document.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 15, 2004 4:16 PM

I did Tamyia Dark Green on my T-34/85 and (Dragon's excellent kit) and it looks great, but that's my first Soviet armor ever, but thats my info.

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