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MrT
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M103A1 HEAVY TANK
Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:04 AM

This is the M103A1 Heavy Tank from Dragon under the Black Label line.

I started with the turret.  It is huge!  The fit is good with great cast surface texture.

Next I moved on to the hull.  You can see the size comparison between turret and the hull.

Next hull details and some return rollers.  The rear hull is a multi part afair that requires some sanding.

Stay tuned for further updates

Terry

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:32 AM

Very cool!!! I'm about to the same point with mine but I have no idea when I'll get time to paint and finish her.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:45 AM

The wheels always get me bogged down, but I'll keep plugging away a little everyday.  Do you intend to do the army or marine version?

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:03 AM

thats crazy,you cant see that from the box art,should make an interesting build

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:13 AM

Terry, I haven't decided yet- probably USMC since they apparently were the biggest user.

I sometimes get twitchy fingers and pull out something and build it while watching TV. Then all of this stuff ends up bottle-necking when it comes to airbrushing. I guess it has to do with being able to just pull out a kit and glue a few parts together anytime but with airbrushing I have to find the paint I need, mix it up, spray, and then clean everything- much more of a time investment.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:18 PM

Nope the box doesn't give you any indication of the turret size, but it's huge.

Terry

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:22 PM

Gamera

Terry, I haven't decided yet- probably USMC since they apparently were the biggest user.

I sometimes get twitchy fingers and pull out something and build it while watching TV. Then all of this stuff ends up bottle-necking when it comes to airbrushing. I guess it has to do with being able to just pull out a kit and glue a few parts together anytime but with airbrushing I have to find the paint I need, mix it up, spray, and then clean everything- much more of a time investment.

One thing about this tank it's all green.  The Marine Corp one will be good, but I think I will wait and see it Dragon comes out with the A2 and do the Corp version.

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Posted by r13b20 on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:30 PM

Had to look up this one. Learned something also. 2 loaders and separate ammo? Like heavy artillery. Cool. Keep us posted. Bob

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:36 PM

Gamera

Terry, I haven't decided yet- probably USMC since they apparently were the biggest user.

I sometimes get twitchy fingers and pull out something and build it while watching TV. Then all of this stuff ends up bottle-necking when it comes to airbrushing. I guess it has to do with being able to just pull out a kit and glue a few parts together anytime but with airbrushing I have to find the paint I need, mix it up, spray, and then clean everything- much more of a time investment.

That's the story of my model building life; 90% completed builds waiting for the airbrush day. Problem is, normally nice airbrushing days get gobbled up doing other nice day activities like yard work, etc.

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:49 PM

r13b20

Had to look up this one. Learned something also. 2 loaders and separate ammo? Like heavy artillery. Cool. Keep us posted. Bob

Yep good ol powder and shot.  That's why the turret is so big.  I'm rolling now so more to come.

Terry

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Posted by deattilio on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:45 PM

I've been on the fence about getting one of these, but I don't know too much about the M103 to begin with.  I remember seeing one of these at the Mechanized Museum aboard Camp Pendleton and it was very imposing, even alongside an M60.  Each time I see one of these the first thing I think of is "The Elephant Man" and "Mask" (old Cher movie).

 

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:00 AM

Yeah its got quite a turret.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:13 AM

Rob Gronovius

Gamera

Terry, I haven't decided yet- probably USMC since they apparently were the biggest user.

I sometimes get twitchy fingers and pull out something and build it while watching TV. Then all of this stuff ends up bottle-necking when it comes to airbrushing. I guess it has to do with being able to just pull out a kit and glue a few parts together anytime but with airbrushing I have to find the paint I need, mix it up, spray, and then clean everything- much more of a time investment.

That's the story of my model building life; 90% completed builds waiting for the airbrush day. Problem is, normally nice airbrushing days get gobbled up doing other nice day activities like yard work, etc.

Good to know I'm not the only one with this problem Rob. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:17 AM

deattilio

I've been on the fence about getting one of these, but I don't know too much about the M103 to begin with.  I remember seeing one of these at the Mechanized Museum aboard Camp Pendleton and it was very imposing, even alongside an M60.  Each time I see one of these the first thing I think of is "The Elephant Man" and "Mask" (old Cher movie).

Heavy tanks were developed by the US, UK and USSR as the logical successors to the heavy tanks of the later stages of WW2. Once armament and missile development progressed beyond armor development (main gun and missiles could kill any tank), the heavy tank just became a bigger, slower target.

A downsized version of the M103 became the M48 medium tank.

Since the Marines don't have as big a budget as the Army, they can't afford to not procure tanks they spent money to develop. Therefore they had to take them. The Army took the downsized M48 but knew it was to be a stopgap until the purpose-built medium tank, the M60, was in production. The Army did field a couple of heavy tank battalions.

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:48 PM

Rob Gronovius

deattilio

I've been on the fence about getting one of these, but I don't know too much about the M103 to begin with.  I remember seeing one of these at the Mechanized Museum aboard Camp Pendleton and it was very imposing, even alongside an M60.  Each time I see one of these the first thing I think of is "The Elephant Man" and "Mask" (old Cher movie).

Heavy tanks were developed by the US, UK and USSR as the logical successors to the heavy tanks of the later stages of WW2. Once armament and missile development progressed beyond armor development (main gun and missiles could kill any tank), the heavy tank just became a bigger, slower target.

A downsized version of the M103 became the M48 medium tank.

Since the Marines don't have as big a budget as the Army, they can't afford to not procure tanks they spent money to develop. Therefore they had to take them. The Army took the downsized M48 but knew it was to be a stopgap until the purpose-built medium tank, the M60, was in production. The Army did field a couple of heavy tank battalions.

Well........the M48 was produced first.  Nearly 12,000 M48s were built from 1952 to 1959.   In 1953-1954 a series of 300 M103 tanks were built.  So the M103 is an off shoot of the M48.  M103 used many of the parts of a M48, but was longer with seven road wheels instead of six.  The M48 never replaced the M103 because the biggest gun mounted in the M48 was 105mm.  The M103 was phased out of service with the introduction of the M60.  The Marine Corp was by far the largest operator with 219 as opposed to the Army with 74.  The only tank that could be said to replace the M103 would be the M1 Abrams, but the 120 mm gun on the Abrams is smooth bore instead of the rifled barrel on the M103.  The M103 remained in service with the Marines until 1974.  The M103 is a big mother, but it's not the mother of the M48.

Terry

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:46 PM

Hello!

I just ordered one of these! Just had to have it - there was a picture of that baby in a book that I used to learn to read when I was five years old! This probably also explains why I'm weird...

Anyhow I also read on Armorama about reported inaccuracies of this kit - a dude name Vodnik (his first name is also Paweł, just like mine) pointed many details that are wrong in his opinion. One thing, most visible to me, is that in the real tank the track goes down from the last return roller to the sprocket, whereas in the model the track goes level, in a straight line - like in the M48. Have to take a look at the kit, maybe that's not too hard to correct.

The ARV variant of this thing - called M51 - that would be really something for me, as it served in Vietnam.

Anyhow, good luck with your project, and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:35 PM

I'm sure it has.  Most models do, but on the table it looks like a M103.  Good luck with yours.

Terry

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Posted by Gun Tech on Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:31 PM

Terry, I'm not much for post WWII armor, or even allied subjects at that, but after what I saw with your RSO, count me in for the ride! Beer   

Keep the pictures coming . Yes

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, June 13, 2014 3:33 PM

That's an impressive monster you've got in the works Terry. Looking forward to more on this one. Yes

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:27 AM
Gamera

Rob Gronovius

Gamera

Terry, I haven't decided yet- probably USMC since they apparently were the biggest user.

I sometimes get twitchy fingers and pull out something and build it while watching TV. Then all of this stuff ends up bottle-necking when it comes to airbrushing. I guess it has to do with being able to just pull out a kit and glue a few parts together anytime but with airbrushing I have to find the paint I need, mix it up, spray, and then clean everything- much more of a time investment.

That's the story of my model building life; 90% completed builds waiting for the airbrush day. Problem is, normally nice airbrushing days get gobbled up doing other nice day activities like yard work, etc.

Good to know I'm not the only one with this problem Rob. 

Me three.

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:54 AM

The main part of the lower hull is done and a first coat of paint applied.  Next wheels and sprockets.

Terry











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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:39 AM

Hello!

That looks good, I especially like theshed of OD you took. Just watch out for one issue - just yesterday I read about that when you put the exhaust shroud on the rear deck, you run into a problem to install the turret. Please try to dry fit the turret base now to verify that everything is OK. Good luck with your project and havea nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:39 AM

Very nice Dark OD for the Cold War shade! Which paint did you use for that?

 

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:11 PM

It is combination of Tamiya colors.  One part Nato Black and two parts Black Green.

Terry

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:13 PM

Yes the turret interferes as it rotates.

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:16 PM

Beginning to look like a tank.

Terry 

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:23 PM

Hello!

That's a beast, ain't it? Can't wait to see what you are going to do with it. Good luck with your project and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:12 PM

Still plugging along and thanks Pawel!

Terry

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:18 AM

Yeap a beast she is! Great job and please keep the photos coming!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:51 AM

Looks real good,nice progress.I know some people absolutley hate this kit,there was a whole thread on Amorama trashing it.Butno problems here,enjoying your build of a diffrent subject for sure.

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