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                        Sherman Tank taken as War Prize in Iraq!

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Sherman Tank taken as War Prize in Iraq!
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 8:58 AM
                        http://www.activevr.com/afv/cgi_bin/web-bbs/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/46867

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                        M1abramsRules
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                          June 2003
                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, March 1, 2004 9:00 AM
                        cool, reminds of the pictures of long toms in '91
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:04 AM
                        I wonder what the rationale for taking the tank was? Sounds like the Iraqis were using it to teach the tankers how to drive. (I didn't follow that psychological reason the Iraqis were supposedly using the tank for.) Iraq's rebuilt military will have an armored component, won't it? They could still use the old Sherman for driving practice.

                        I guess the theory is that it is a war prize? "I want it, so it's mine" doesn't sound like the right policy for a liberating power.

                        Anyway, it would certainly be an interesting subject of a diorama, as it proudly drives past Paladins and Bradleys and Abrams(es).
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                        M1abramsRules
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                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:10 AM
                        is there a pic of it anywhere??? but, hey it was the US's to begin with, so I have no problem with them taking it back. Wink [;)]
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:15 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

                        is there a pic of it anywhere???


                        Yes, on the site I posted. Look down the thread a little and look for the PIC message.

                        QUOTE: but, hey it was the US's to begin with, so I have no problem with them taking it back. Wink [;)]


                        I think that's the general idea, and I guess no harm done under the circumstances, but the tank was after all an asset of Iraq -- which now hopefully means the Iraqi people.
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                        M1abramsRules
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                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:28 AM
                        ah, might a well post it here, for the lazy peopleWink [;)] (like myself)
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:28 AM
                        Shermie has some "'splaining to do".

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        M1abramsRules
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                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:29 AM
                        what, how he managed to forget about that one or something
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:33 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

                        what, how he managed to forget about that one or something


                        More likely, that Sherman was supplied to Saddam by someone, someone who wants to see Shermans in people's hands, no questions asked .... Laugh [(-D]
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                        M1abramsRules
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                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, March 1, 2004 11:47 AM
                        hmmm, I don't think robert is neither french nor russian.Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]Wink [;)]
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 1:07 PM
                        There are two Shermans shown on that thread. One, the HVSS 105 shown above and another VVSS 105 painted OD. If they were still in running condition, I'd imagine they had more than one and most likely came from Jordan... my guess.

                        Ron
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                        zokissima
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
                        Posted by zokissima on Monday, March 1, 2004 1:34 PM
                        There were a series of pics posted on Armorama.com, and a few showed various vehicles found in Iraq.
                        Take a look at these:
                        http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=14405&password=&sort=8&cat=500&page=3

                        There a lots of others. I found this one particularly interesting. Everyone should definitely take a look at the gallery. Some really interesting things in there. Just go to Armorama.com
                        There is a link right on the main page. I found it absolutely wonderful, especially as a reference for my m-923
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 2:28 PM
                        Holy Shniekies zokissima!

                        Talk about an 'armor museum'! Any prices on those? Can I pick up one of those little Italian jobs at the PX?

                        Ron
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 2:46 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by zokissima
                        Take a look at these:
                        http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=14405&password=&sort=8&cat=500&page=3


                        Holy cow. I loved the Churchill. CHURCHILL? Those things looked like antiques even when they were new. And the Chieftain too. I was amazed to see a tank that had been so formidable when I was a kid chewed up by the 25mm gun of a Bradley.
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                        zokissima
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
                        Posted by zokissima on Monday, March 1, 2004 3:13 PM
                        Yeah, it's really crazy. I couldn't believe I was looking at those pics. So much stuff that I'd NEVER have expected.
                        Kind of makes you wonder where the funding for an NCB warfare programme would have come from if this is the representation of their heavy armoured divisions Tongue [:P]
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                        shermanfreak
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                        Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, March 1, 2004 3:19 PM
                        What do you mean I have a lot of explaining to do ..... explain what?
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 3:28 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by zokissima
                        Kind of makes you wonder where the funding for an NCB warfare programme would have come from if this is the representation of their heavy armoured divisions Tongue [:P]


                        Well, Qadaffi had a nuclear program, and his main armored vehicle in Chad was the Toyota pick-up truck with a Russian machine gun mounted on it!

                        If the trucks don't bring the enemy to its knees, go nuclear.

                        Robert, I think he was just pulling your leg because it's a Sherman.
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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, March 1, 2004 3:36 PM
                        Boy ... I tell you .... find a Sherman where you least expect it and it becomes my fault. Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        Dwight Ta-ala
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, March 1, 2004 5:54 PM
                        A nice find indeed. But is it OK for the US to take it home?

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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, March 1, 2004 5:58 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

                        A nice find indeed. But is it OK for the US to take it home?


                        Might as well ...... they were the first owners of it. Tongue [:P]
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 1, 2004 6:28 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn
                        Robert, I think he was just pulling your leg because it's a Sherman.


                        Yup, just pulling your chain. Wink [;)]

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        Dwight Ta-ala
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, March 1, 2004 6:35 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak
                        Might as well ...... they were the first owners of it. Tongue [:P]


                        Ahhh...you mean owners keepers?

                        Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 9:11 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak
                        Might as well ...... they were the first owners of it. Tongue [:P]


                        Ahhh...you mean owners keepers?

                        Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]


                        Spoils of War, beb. I guess no one will miss it. It still feels a little strange to read about, though.
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                        Cobrahistorian
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, March 1, 2004 9:18 PM
                        Anyone notice the M36B1? Now that's a rare bird!

                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:09 AM
                        Yah, I saw that and was wondering about it. How about that sherm recovery vehicle. Of course, my favorite, the M18 was blown to pieces.Angry [:(!]Sad [:(]
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 2:42 PM
                        Yeah, scubaboy,

                        If I had an M18 in my sights, I'd probably take a hit from it before I blew the living daylights out of it... Gunner! Coax... Antique! Fire!
                        My feeling is that with any luck you may be seeing these at the Patton Museum (or Bovington!) in the future. OF course, I'd like SOMETHING for my back yard! LOL.

                        Ron

                        Spoils of war? I would suppose so! Did you know two FT-18's (FT17's with some updates) came over from Afghanistan? They're at the Patton Museum now... I'm 99% sure!
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                        M1abramsRules
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                          June 2003
                        Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 2:48 PM
                        yep, I saw that. I think it was on cnn. they found them at a scrap yard or something.
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                        mark956
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 4:39 PM
                        Thanks for the link Larry. The old tank looks good. I wonder what it looks like now?
                        mark956
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                        r13b20
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                          April 2014
                        Posted by r13b20 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 6:07 PM
                        Yes, thanks for the tanks! And the link too. Very interesting stuff.
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                        renarts
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                          April 2003
                        • From: Sunny Florida
                        Posted by renarts on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:58 PM
                        War trophy or not, does the value of the tank equal the logistical effort to bring it back. Unlike a sword, flag or pistol, its not something you just tuck into your duffel bag.

                        Do you think the army (or marines) will expend the resources to collect it? Or do you think its enough of a novelty to bring home and put in a museum or worse, a govt surplus yard that will keep it hidden beyond our lifetimes?

                        Mike
                        Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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