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Leopold questions
Posted by styrene on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:58 AM
Just picked up the Trumpeter Leopold this past weekend, and I have a couple questions. Yes, I know I need to get a good reference source Blush [:I].

1. Was the gun actually that effective, or did it wind up being used more or less for harassment fire?

2. Although it was a railway gun, because of its size, did it remain relatively stationary, or was it able to "travel the country"?

3. Additional question: When the Leopold was in recoil after a shot, were the brakes set on the tracks, or did the gun "roll down the tracks" and then have to be repositioned after every shot?

4. What is an excellent reference source for this kit? Good pics plus good history?

Thanks Smile [:)]. Looking for any and all opinions....

Gip Winecoff

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Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:07 AM
I couldn't point you in too many directions, but there are a LOT of buildup reviews of this kit. FSM had a short review (more like a comparison between the trumpeter and dragon models). Heck, trumpeter's own site has a bunch of pics of the built up model, so that can help as well.
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:23 AM
the 1st 3 are the ones I want to know too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:29 AM
Hi Styrene,

I'm doing the Leopold too. In regards to your questions:

1. I quess that's a matter of opinion. Image beginning on the beach at Anzio and having 280mm shells falling around you. The harrassment alone can effect the motivation of the soldiers.
2. Yes it did travel the country although I believe it took a day to set up for firing.
3. No idea about the brakes.
4. Try Squadron/Signals German Railway Guns. It's ok. Also try this site: http://www.one35th.com/model/k5/k5_frme.htm . And, in regards to history, try the book 'Anzio Annie'. It's no longer in print so you'll have to search around on the internet. I got mine used. I also have a boat load of pics. I can email them to you if you want. They are pics from a bunch of websites I went to. Aberdeen Proving Grounds also has the "Leopold" there if you live close to Maryland.

Later,
Jesse
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Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:51 AM
great link jmorgan_11. thanks for the info. Answers a lot of questions and general info :)
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Posted by Model Maniac on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 7:52 PM
I may not be able to answer your questions concerning the Leopold, but my site
has a finished one for show (a sample pic below), plus some information on the Gun which I got from Trumpeter's site. In a day or two I'll add more info that I got from Hasegawa's instruction sheets (for its 1:72 Leopold) :



For more pics of the Leopold please click :

http://www.falconbbs.com/model19b.htm
and
http://www.falconbbs.com/model18b.htm Smile [:)]

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 1:42 AM
Here's a good site:

http://modelbox.free.fr/photoscopes/K5/index.html

It's the most complete surviving Leopold gun in the world, though because it's left outside, it's not the best looking anymore! It's about 50 miles from where I live...
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Posted by Model Maniac on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:27 PM
Here's some info on the Leopold which might answer some of your questions.
I just learned that the Leopold is not the longest gun with longest range of fire. Leopold is only 21m long, but the German WWI "Big Bertha" was much longer at 36m! and fired the longest range (120km or 76 miles). Read on :

German Railway Gun K5 (E) Leopold - Hasegawa's 1/72 scale Mini Box Serie N0.28
History on 28cm K5 Railway Gun

The earliest railway artillery of record was employed in the Confederate Army in 1862. Experiments went on during the next 50 years, but there was little development till 1914. During World War I the Germans developed and employed a most unexpected long-range gun, the famous "Big Bertha"

The railway gun was a long-range gun with limited mobility which is generally carried on railways ramified over fortresses or special army bases. This railway gun had a larger caliber, a longer barrel, a heavier weight and an exceptionally longer range than field guns and mobile artilleries. It was concealed in secret camouflaged entrenchments or tunnels and carried to the firing place as the occasion demanded. Firing from a great distance could take the enemy
by surprise.

Despite numerous reconnaissance flight by the French during the shelling of Paris in 1918, the 21cm "Big Bertha" firing at a range of 76 miles (some 120 km) was never discovered.
Even after the war, the mystery that surrounded this long-range railway gun would not fade.<p>

German adopted the method of setting a gun carriage on a firm frame attaching both a front and rear bogie truck for the long-range railway gun developed after World War I. As the load for one axle is limited, a number of axles can bear a far heavier gun, Therefore, the K5 railway
gun had 12 axles : 6 axles to both the front and rear truck (load for an axle ; 18 tons).
An ammunition wagon, covered car for personnel, covered car for equipment, etc. were usually attached to the two bogie trucks and a locomotive was attached to one side end. There were two firing types of railway gun : one firing in a stopping condition on the rails, and the other firing after stable operation with setting the frame on the turntable platform that was founded in a definite place.

The 21cm Bertha used in World War I was an epochal long-range gun of the latter type with a barrel of 36m on length and the longest range in the world (120 km). in 1935, the Germans began to re-arm and started on the design of a new type of railway gun with more mobility, making effective use of their experience with the "Big Bertha". the main railway guns among the new types were the 24cm Theodor Bruno K (range : 20 km), the 28cm K5 E, the 38cm Siegfried K (55.7 km), and the 80cm Dora (47 km). It was the 28cm caliber class that brought power into full play among them, and especially the 28cm K5 became famous as the main force railway gun. In case where it was used as a fort gun that fires on enemy fleets off the coast,
what is known as coastal artillery, it was stationed on railways laid in a gallery along the quay. This way, they could avoid bombing by enemy planes and effectively watch over the movements of hostile crafts.<p>

The project for the 28cm K5 was commenced secretly in 1934 and eight trail equipments were successfully used by the end of February 1940. By the end of the war, about 25 equipments had been built. As the tractor a diesel locomotive of 40 tons weight was used. The amount of shells loaded on the train was generally 113 in number, but considerable time was necessary for
charging and adjusting after firing. Operation of the gun was entirely electro-motive and during transportation the barrel was always in a horizontal condition.

Specifications :
Caliber ................................................. 28.3 cm
Overall Length of Barrel ....................21.539 m
Overall Length including
projecting rear Bogie ........................31.100 m
Maximum Elevation .................................50 degree
Weight in Action ..............................218,000 kg
Weight of Carriage and Piece .........209,550 kg
Muzzle Velocity 1,120 m/s
Range ................................................59 - 62 km
Firing Interval ................................... 8 shells/h
(7 minutes and 30 seconds /shell)

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Posted by styrene on Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:30 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the information and links.

Gip Winecoff

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Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, March 4, 2004 7:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Model Maniac

the German WWI "Big Bertha" was much longer at 36m! and fired the longest range (120km or 76 miles).


common mistake here. The big bertha was a 16.53 in. howitzer with a range just under 2 miles. The name for the gun that shelled Paris, that you are talking about, was "Kaiser Wilhelm Geshutz" (usually known simply as "the Paris Gun") it was a 8.26 in. gun that could shoot 75 miles. the interesting fact about this gun is that its barrel lasted only 65 shots and the barrel increased in caliber every shot. so they had to shoot 65 progresively bigger shells from 8.31 in. to 9.05 in.

I'll see if I can find pictures of each.
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, March 4, 2004 7:04 AM
Big Bertha:

The Paris Gun (Kaiser Wilhelm Geshutz):
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 10:07 AM
Sorry guns but the largest gun was the Dora at a huge 80 cm (31.5 in) caliber. Here's a link: http://www.cix.co.uk/~nrobinson/railgun/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm

Its effective (not max.) range was 40 km (about 25 miles). Now that's a big gun...

Jesse
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:22 PM
http://tanxheaven.com/referencepictures.htm
there is a little movie at the bottom
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:22 PM
yep, the Dora/Gustav is the biggest gun this world has seen and will ever see. however the Paris gun was a very powerful gun and had one of the longest ranges. French aircraft could not find where the source of the shelling on Paris came from. Its muzzle velocity was over 6500 fps. Gustav did not top 2700 fps.
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