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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:58 AM

T26E4

@Panzerjager: the T28 had live tracks.  Regardless of what the face of the link was composed of or looked like, the design of "Live Tracks" had to do with bushings INSIDE the link which made it curl.  

web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_vvss.htm

Look at these Sherman tread types.  ALL were live tracks.  The use of live tracks had to deal with how the suspension was designed -- and had nothing to do with whatever was the configuration of the link shoes themselves.  They could be smooth rubber, rubber chevron, composite rubber/steel, all steel, steel cleat, whatever -- and all be LIVE tracks.

The T28 Assuault gun's suspension was designed for live tracks and thus, ALWAYS had live tracks mounted to it.

Thanks Roy,

But I was thinking they look like T-66 tracks in that picture.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:03 AM

the doog

Very nice detailing!

A curious color to prime it though--are you planning to do some ort of radical hairspray chipping on it?

Thanks Karl,

But the correct primer is iron oxide, and the way I weather Is to actually wear away paint in certain areas to duplicate "real" wear and tare on the paint.  So the primer must be applied 1st. so as to be Visible as i abrade the paint.  Hope this helps...

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:50 AM

I agree with  you Panzerjager.  The interesting pic you put up earlier do make the tracks appear to be T66s.  But T66s were live tracks -- no doubt about it.  As were the T80s and T84s.  All three HVSS tracks were live.

Like I said before, the features that made the track "live" were bushings in the pin attachments that linked the track shoes together.    Remember, the suspensions were designed to only take live tracks.  Both the VVS and HVSS (which is what the T28 had) absolutely could only ride with live tracks.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:56 PM

Thank you Roy, You did verify my observation that it does look like that tank had T66 tracks on it.

But, you are mistaken on one thing.  T-66 track as pictured above were classified as " Dry pin" track I.e. dead track very much like the Germans used in WWII.

Regardless as to the suspension design, the 1st M4A3E8 Sherman tanks came equipped with them.  And latter were equipped with "live" track.

I just would like to be able to find out the "back story" of that picture, and why they were using that track at that time.  What that picture does provide is a possibility for an interesting option as to model this T28 kit...

But I digress..............

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:30 PM

Paint, Decals and wash!  getting close to done.

wash still wet.

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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:41 PM

PANZERJAGER

......the correct primer is iron oxide, and the way I weather Is to actually wear away paint in certain areas to duplicate "real" wear and tare on the paint.  So the primer must be applied 1st. so as to be Visible as i abrade the paint.  Hope this helps...

 I know you're talking about the paint but here's some interesting info about the two main types of iron oxide.

 Fe2O3 is red and Fe3O4 is black. They change back and forth fairly readily and appearance depends on impurities and how it occurs. Steel beams as they come from the mill have a deep blue, almost black mill scale from surface oxidation that will rust to the more stable red. Some firearms were once browned (in the 1800s) by repeatedly rusting, rubbing off the loose rust, then rusting again and doing this repeatedly until finally oiling. Others were given a gray to deep blue finish by doing the same thing but adding the step of boiling in water to turn the red oxide to black.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/panzerjager-1/T28%20Super%20Heavy%20Tank/IMAG0982_zps7ywadeit.jpg~original

When you look closely you can see that beautiful texture..........

                   made the hair on my neck tingle http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/frizz3.gif

 I just love the color you put on this baby. http://vz.iminent.com/vz/fa24884d-8a40-44b1-814a-17234c28e4b1/2/baby-girl-laughing-and-revealing-a-tooth.gif

 Even though I like to build dirty, I can really appreciate good lookin' work like this. 'Ya got something to be proud of here my man!

                                                               http://www.smilys.net/smiley_generator/smilies/smiley_000772523_3.png

Sherman-Jumbo-1945

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:12 AM

Love how she's coming along so far, looking forward to seeing how you weather the behemoth!

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:18 AM
Fantastic work,I can't believe all the extra detailing,but the big guy is really looking good.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:27 PM

disastermaster

PANZERJAGER

......the correct primer is iron oxide, and the way I weather Is to actually wear away paint in certain areas to duplicate "real" wear and tare on the paint.  So the primer must be applied 1st. so as to be Visible as i abrade the paint.  Hope this helps...

 I know you're talking about the paint but here's some interesting info about the two main types of iron oxide.

 Fe2O3 is red and Fe3O4 is black. They change back and forth fairly readily and appearance depends on impurities and how it occurs. Steel beams as they come from the mill have a deep blue, almost black mill scale from surface oxidation that will rust to the more stable red. Some firearms were once browned (in the 1800s) by repeatedly rusting, rubbing off the loose rust, then rusting again and doing this repeatedly until finally oiling. Others were given a gray to deep blue finish by doing the same thing but adding the step of boiling in water to turn the red oxide to black.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/panzerjager-1/T28%20Super%20Heavy%20Tank/IMAG0982_zps7ywadeit.jpg~original

When you look closely you can see that beautiful texture..........

                   made the hair on my neck tingle http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/frizz3.gif

 I just love the color you put on this baby. http://vz.iminent.com/vz/fa24884d-8a40-44b1-814a-17234c28e4b1/2/baby-girl-laughing-and-revealing-a-tooth.gif

 Even though I like to build dirty, I can really appreciate good lookin' work like this. 'Ya got something to be proud of here my man!

                                                               http://www.smilys.net/smiley_generator/smilies/smiley_000772523_3.png

Don't worry Steve, she's going to get a little dirty!

Glad you like it so far...

 PANZERJAGER

 

 

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:30 PM

Gamera

Love how she's coming along so far, looking forward to seeing how you weather the behemoth!

Thanks Gamera, I've still got a long way to go.

2 crew figures, .50 cal M2, detail painting, some minor body work, a base and weathering...

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:31 PM

Tojo72
Fantastic work,I can't believe all the extra detailing,but the big guy is really looking good.

Glad you like it, thanks!

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:26 PM

OK guys,

Question time, I am not looking for someone to start pouting regulations!

I want honest interpretations of a photo.

Look at the photo below, tell me if you think the tools are painted Olive Drab, or do they have natural wood handles???

I need a consensus...

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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:22 PM

A wood finish would give some nice contrast and

   pique interest but they look to be olive drab.

    http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_hide.gif If it were me though, I'd do the wood finish https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBeIvHFGtmaDzISdO_mjOPJfn7jLGcr3lAADlE2fv9LuQxivA_

Sherman-Jumbo-1945

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:51 PM

You need the contrast, right? Wood.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:51 PM

disastermaster

A wood finish would give some nice contrast and

   pique interest but they look to be olive drab.

    http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_hide.gif If it were me though, I'd do the wood finish https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBeIvHFGtmaDzISdO_mjOPJfn7jLGcr3lAADlE2fv9LuQxivA_

I see your point man, but after all the work I"ve  done to make this thing accurate, I am going without "artistic license"...

Thanks though.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:01 PM

M. Brindos

You need the contrast, right? Wood.

What I could also do is use a shade or two lighter O.D. Green on the handles.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:35 PM

Faded or worn O.D. paint over wood? Okay, you've convinced me lol. I may have to try that idea for myself.  ;)

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:02 PM

Meet the crew, and there .50 cal.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:13 PM

Those tools look OD to me. To give some contrast/variety, you may want to show bare metal from use in edges of the shovel blade and axe head. Also try using a different OD than what you used on the tank itself. Something like Testors OD in the little square bottle for example.

 

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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:56 PM

Yep  painted, I think.  The idea of different color OD is a good one and the shovels should look "paint scraped"  having been used just a bit.

Steve

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:58 AM

For what it's worth I'm with stikpusher on this one. The tools look O.D. to me also.

Different shade of O.D. on the tools with some wear shown on the blades of the axe and the shovel. That's my plan for my M-10 (if it ever gets finished)

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Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:30 PM

Different shades and worn paint.

http://www.ktark.com/images/smilies/4chsmu1.gif Sounds like a win-win.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:01 PM

Gee, Panzerjager the more I look this at hulking brute the more I'm tempted to break out my Meng A-39 Tortoise super-heavy assault gun:

Not quite as big as the T28 but pretty darn huge nevertheless...

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:09 PM

Gamera

Gee Panzerjager the more I look this hulking brute the more I'm tempted to break out my Meng A-34 Tortoise super-heavy assault gun...

Thanks for all the great feedback guys!

tools will be a lighter shade of O.D.!

Gamera,

You'd better hurry!

That's my next build...

I already have one of each kind of Jagdtiger built, and that is the last "real" super heavy T.D. I need to build.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:47 PM

Lol, in that case I think I'll just follow you and let you point out any issues!

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:54 PM

Gamera

Lol, in that case I think I'll just follow you and let you point out any issues!

You Dog!

OK, I'll take the lead on that one...

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Friday, February 27, 2015 9:01 AM

Here are some initial shots.

I have more to do yet but I thought you might want to see were I'm at with it.....

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, February 27, 2015 10:04 AM

Coloration is looking greatYes

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Friday, February 27, 2015 10:08 AM

Pvt Mutt

Coloration is looking greatYes

Tony lee

Thanks Tony!

Good to hear from you, how have you been?

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, February 27, 2015 11:06 AM
I love that you took into consideration the dirt on the top of the yank where the crew would be walking around.

Absolutely fantastic painting so far! :)

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