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M48 Yom Kippur?

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M48 Yom Kippur?
Posted by VTmodeldude28 on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:16 AM
Hello all,

I'm relatively new to armor and have been buying cheaper Tamiya kits to build up and practice weathering on in preparation for the more expensive kits I've built up and am read to paint.

One of the cheapos is the M41 Walker Bulldog which initially I wasn't that excited about, but since seeing an excellent documentary on the Yom Kippur War the other day, I have decided I want to do an Israeli version. Although I'm pretty sure the IDF had M60s by then I believe there were M41s in service. My questions:

What color do I need for that distinctive Isareli army look? It's sort of a greenish tan. Tamiya acrylic if possible.

Where can I get decals?

Finally, is the Walker Bulldog kit even remotely accurate for this project? Did the IDF have this tank? If not for Yom Kippur then maybe the Six Day War?

Thanks all!

On the bench:

1. Eduard 1/48 Mig-21 MF

2. Tamiya 1/35 M41 Walker Bulldog

3. Tamiya 1/35 T-72 M1

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:54 AM

The IDF never used M41s.  Initially, they had a bunch of Shermans, then were supplied M48s and M60s, and Brit Centurions.

For another Middle East M41 option, Lebanon used M41s from the late '50s up to the early '80s. They were overall sand in color.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:22 AM

Jordan and Lebanon had M 42 Dusters. No doubt Israel captured some.

There is an M 41 at the Latrun museum. I would guess it was captured from Lebanon.

Israel also notably had AMX 13/ 75's in the subject of air transportable light tanks.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:44 AM

I'm sure some were captured, but I doubt any were put into service since they were far out of date as a modern tank at the time w/light armor and a small main gun.  I have seen no evidence to suggest the IDF ever used any.

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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:18 AM

Same here, they were seen as less effective that the AMX-13, and the IDF wasn't real fond of those. No one particular faction in Lebanon had enough of the M-41s to make a difference, and I don't think Jordan deployed any against the Isrealis, only Cents, M-47s and M-48s.

It's very difficult to effectively utilize captured vehicles unless the quantity captured in good condition makes it viable (T-55/Tiran being a notable exception), both from a spare parts viewpoint, and friend/foe recognition issues, both experienced by the Germans with captured Russian vehicles. In fact, one of the main reasons the IDF added the turret stowage bins to the Tiran was as a recognition aid.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:26 AM

In fact, just reading about the West Bank in the 6 Day War. Israel did not deploy their M 48's in that area in part because the Jordanians were using theirs, according to the author FWIW.

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Posted by VTmodeldude28 on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:39 AM
Yeah did a little more research after posting this one and think everyone is right. Dang. The doc had some M48s in it which looked similar enough to get me thinking but that all makes sense. Guess it will be a US tank.

On the bench:

1. Eduard 1/48 Mig-21 MF

2. Tamiya 1/35 M41 Walker Bulldog

3. Tamiya 1/35 T-72 M1

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:43 AM

Or ARVN that would be a great subject.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:47 AM

There are actually lots of other users of the M41.   You can find a list here (toward the bottom of the page.):  en.wikipedia.org/.../M41_Walker_Bulldog

Some are still in use and in 3-tone camo etc. for something a little different.

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