GMorrison

Nice photo Gino. Actually my F-in-L owned a GPW. He did so many mods to turn it into a hunting car that after he died, we had a hard time getting rid of it. Jeep guys would look at it and "oh the head is a replacement". "The front axle is from a USPS truck", on and on.

 

 

Toshi

Nice photo Gino. Actually my F-in-L owned a GPW. He did so many mods to turn it into a hunting car that after he died, we had a hard time getting rid of it. Jeep guys would look at it and "oh the head is a replacement". "The front axle is from a USPS truck", on and on.

GMorrison

I used to know the story, but have sort of intentionally forgot it to make room for other stuff.

EDIT: I just looked it up in a book I have. The W/O Co. duked it out with Bantam and Ford for about 7 years, but they outlasted the first company and Ford concentrated on other markets.

But you can probably pretty much imagine how it went. What does make me laugh is that I know folks to this day who only buy "Jeeps" on account of their solid military reputation, which is a concept that probably stops after a CJ-5..

 

i owned and drove a Jeep Wrangler for most of the past 20 years until my last one got wiped out when some youngster made a left turn in my path.  Not because if the "background", but just because I love Jeeps. I do miss it. One day I'll get another. I miss the over away capabilities for this area once you leave L.A. and can see the real California 

richs26

Another thing is that it was Ford which designed Willys' trademark stamped metal grill.

Yup, the original Willys MB had a welded, slat grill.  When Ford started producing the GPW, they went with the stamped grill since it was quicker and easier to manufacture.  The US Govt adopted it for all jeeps.

Another thing is that it was Ford which designed Willys' trademark stamped metal grill.

Thanks, does make sense since AMC does have it trademarked.

GM: Looking forward to more progress! 

I used to know the story, but have sort of intentionally forgot it to make room for other stuff.

EDIT: I just looked it up in a book I have. The W/O Co. duked it out with Bantam and Ford for about 7 years, but they outlasted the first company and Ford concentrated on other markets.

But you can probably pretty much imagine how it went. What does make me laugh is that I know folks to this day who only buy "Jeeps" on account of their solid military reputation, which is a concept that probably stops after a CJ-5..

richs26

 

 

Gamera

Thanks Pawel! Guess I can even use 'Jeep' then instead of just the generic 'jeep'! 

 

 

 

 

Actually Gamera, use small j jeep to describe the vehicles as large J Jeep stands for the trademarked Jeep Corporation now under Fiat.  Just like the Jeep 7-vertical barred grill is trademarked.  The M-151 has horizontal bars due to the Willys/AMC/Chrysler Mercedes/Fiat trademark.

 

Which is kinda funny because the real deal was originally a GP, and GIs started calling it the "jeep" after a charecter in the Popeye comics. Wonder how the lawyers got around that? 

Pawel

Hello!

I got to ride shotgun in my friend's M38 - in bumpy terrain that's a hell of a ride! I got to park that baby, too - it shifts like a farm tractor!

 

Gamera

Thanks Pawel! Guess I can even use 'Jeep' then instead of just the generic 'jeep'! 

 

Actually Gamera, use small j jeep to describe the vehicles as large J Jeep stands for the trademarked Jeep Corporation now under Fiat.  Just like the Jeep 7-vertical barred grill is trademarked.  The M-151 has horizontal bars due to the Willys/AMC/Chrysler Mercedes/Fiat trademark.

richs26

 

 

Pawel

Hello!

I got to ride shotgun in my friend's M38 - in bumpy terrain that's a hell of a ride! I got to park that baby, too - it shifts like a farm tractor! But I understand, why some people love 'em. As for that MUTT description - I've seen a copy of a Ford internal newsletter from the early sixties - they used that handle. So I guess Ford's marketing invented it, and it only caught with Tamiya folks - the troops still called the truck a jeep.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

 

 

 

 

MUTT comes from Ford when they were designing it from 1951 to 1959.  It means Military Utility Tactical Truck.

 

Yes I know it's a legit term from FORD (found on road dead) and their marketing department... But I have yet to come across one GI who ever used that term on active duty or in reserve service when referring to a M151.

Pawel

Hello!

I got to ride shotgun in my friend's M38 - in bumpy terrain that's a hell of a ride! I got to park that baby, too - it shifts like a farm tractor! But I understand, why some people love 'em. As for that MUTT description - I've seen a copy of a Ford internal newsletter from the early sixties - they used that handle. So I guess Ford's marketing invented it, and it only caught with Tamiya folks - the troops still called the truck a jeep.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

 

MUTT comes from Ford when they were designing it from 1951 to 1959.  It means Military Utility Tactical Truck.

Thanks SP, you and Pawel taught me something new today! 

GMorrison

Hmmm, I have a M151 in my stash, someone gave it to me. May have to build it to complete the collection. My F-in-L had an MB. Rode in it ONCE, that was enough. Yeah I know, wussy.

Got a ride in a M151 at an Air Show. Big stencil on the dash "SUDDEN TURNS MEAN SUDDEN DEATH".

 

Growing up, my family always owned cars with an automatic transmission so I never learned to drive a manual. I learned to drive a stick shift on these and M35 Deuce and a Half... now that was a beast  to drive and shift.... the 151 was fun...  I remember coming off guard duty in the field one time and back to garrison with the entire squad on or in one. Let's just say that we carried more than the four authorized riders.

Hello!

I got to ride shotgun in my friend's M38 - in bumpy terrain that's a hell of a ride! I got to park that baby, too - it shifts like a farm tractor! But I understand, why some people love 'em. As for that MUTT description - I've seen a copy of a Ford internal newsletter from the early sixties - they used that handle. So I guess Ford's marketing invented it, and it only caught with Tamiya folks - the troops still called the truck a jeep.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

Hmmm, I have a M151 in my stash, someone gave it to me. May have to build it to complete the collection. My F-in-L had an MB. Rode in it ONCE, that was enough. Yeah I know, wussy.

Got a ride in a M151 at an Air Show. Big stencil on the dash "SUDDEN TURNS MEAN SUDDEN DEATH".

Gamera

Very cool! 

Maybe a stupid question but is it kosher to refer to this as a 'jeep' too? 

 

Yes. Until the HMMWVs came along, the whole family from the Bantam/Willys to the M151 was called "jeep" by generations of GIs. In my 24+ years of service they were either called "quarter ton" or "jeep". NEVER did I hear anyone call them a MUTT or some other name. If they had a weapon of any sort mounted, from a '60 to a 106 or TOW, they became "gun jeeps".

Thanks Pawel! Guess I can even use 'Jeep' then instead of just the generic 'jeep'! 

Hello!

Let's see - it was built by Willys, and the civilian version is CJ-5 - Civilian Jeep version 5 - has the name Jeep even stamped on the sheet metal - so I guess there should be no problem to call this one a Jeep!

Note: on the military variant (M38A1) this central rectangle is blank, with no inscription. Plus the tailgate is bolted shut, and the spare wheel is bolted to it.

Hope it helps, have a nice day

Paweł

Very cool! 

Maybe a stupid question but is it kosher to refer to this as a 'jeep' too? 

I have no doubt that this will look amazing, G. I'm already wanting to try this out for myself lol. Looks like a good amount of details that come with it.

Alignment issue. The box is a bunch of parts that get put together and sit on the frame. OK.

The front end is a separate bunch of parts that get set on the frsme. OK. But it's either the body sides align or they sit flat on the frame. Either/or. Had a major gaffe with a finger print, but got it all square and resorted to a couple of shots of super glue.

Looks good so far.

Nice progress so far my friend!

Looking good.  Yup, totally different than the Willys MB of WWII fame.  It is still a Willys though, just the next generation Willys MC.  It is the same basic vehicle as a civilian CJ5, just militarized.

It really is a different truck than the Willys.

Hello!

Well that's interesting - my friend was restoring two Jeeps a few years ago - an M38 (flat fender) and a CJ-5 - and I suggested to him finishing them in Berlin Command OD paint. The M38 is already done like that. Good luck with your build!

Paweł