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IS-3 Toolbox References
Posted by Moff on Saturday, October 24, 2015 8:37 AM

Does anyone have some reference photos showing an IS-3's toolboxes? Preferably a period photo or blueprint.

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Posted by Ixion on Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:46 AM

Osprey's Modelling the IS Heavy Tank discusses scratch building the side storage bins, but offers little in the way of reference other than a few photos of their model, no drawings or dimensions. They use the Aber PE bin doors to determine the size the compartment openings, apparently eye-balling the rest.

Here is what I have for a drawing, sorry about the hand-held, point and shoot image distortion Ick!

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Posted by Moff on Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:07 PM

Hmmm. So that one shows the toolboxes' hinged side on bottom. All online references I have seen show the hinged side on top. Do you know if that was a feature of IS-3Ms, or if it was different factory models or something? 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/p/168329/1852064.aspx#1852064

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:54 PM

You've come to the the right place.

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0qMU7LMtu4/Tnk82nxG7HI/AAAAAAAAAXA/mfI3sUFglPY/s1600/3D_emoticon_25.gif

http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/carrey/is-3/index.php?Page=2

 

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by Moff on Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:24 PM

disastermaster

You've come to the the right place.

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0qMU7LMtu4/Tnk82nxG7HI/AAAAAAAAAXA/mfI3sUFglPY/s1600/3D_emoticon_25.gif

http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/carrey/is-3/index.php?Page=2

 

 

 

That's one of the ones I checked...are you absolutely certain that that is an IS-3, not an IS-3M?

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Posted by Ixion on Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:01 PM

This page shows an IS-3 bin as being hinged from the bottom, an IS-3M as hinged from the top. The models on the website are the same ones that are in Osprey's book;

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/russia/istanks_ncortese.html

 The Osprey book has build guides for both the IS-3 and the IS-3M.

I'm wondering if discrepancies in references might be due to the rather notorious Soviet habit of minor production variances at different factories. Also, I really don't know what changes were made in the 1960's to produce the M-model.

The Littlefield IS-3M;

http://svsm.org/gallery/JS-3

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:22 PM
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v281/MotownForever/Smileys/bigwink.gif 
 Prime Portal is a highly reputable "go-to" site. A good site for refs.
 
Here's two extra backups to verify that for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWvF9WRnEPY

And about halfway down the page.

http://tonallandscape.com/places/mvtf.html

 Plus another bonus........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1sdL1dYgsk

 

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, October 25, 2015 1:19 AM

 After looking in to this and watching on UTUBE, I've noticed that the tanks cruising by on several of the Berlin victory parades featured (the images are a bit grainy) aren't equipped with the tool boxes.

 Turns out that the three sites I posted above feature the IS3M example. I've realized that the Tamiya kit (straight from the box) is of a very early version that was only ever seen in parades..... what a poop.

 So, "no tool boxes"and very limited weathering. You CAN see the mount for the saw on the port side but I couldn't see any tool bin doors.... and I watched "very" closely.

                               http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/thinking/smileys-thinking-069405.gif

 You can get the the photo-etch tool boxes and fenders from Eduard's. They are are IS-3 set no. 36042 for the Tamiya kit and open in a downward motion, hinged at the bottom as it should be for the IS3. This addition would open  a larger field of building options.

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by Moff on Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM

disastermaster

 After looking in to this and watching on UTUBE, I've noticed that the tanks cruising by on several of the Berlin victory parades featured (the images are a bit grainy) aren't equipped with the tool boxes.

 Turns out that the three sites I posted above feature the IS3M example. I've realized that the Tamiya kit (straight from the box) is of a very early version that was only ever seen in parades..... what a poop.

 So, "no tool boxes"and very limited weathering. You CAN see the mount for the saw on the port side but I couldn't see any tool bin doors.... and I watched "very" closely.

                               http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/thinking/smileys-thinking-069405.gif

 You can get the the photo-etch tool boxes and fenders from Eduard's. They are are IS-3 set no. 36042 for the Tamiya kit and open in a downward motion, hinged at the bottom as it should be for the IS3. This addition would open  a larger field of building options.

 

 

Is that a saw on the port side? I was always curious what that thing was on Soviet tanks...I thought it was some kind of jack.Embarrassed

I have the Eduard set, that's why I was wondering about the toolboxes. Eduard shows them hinged on bottom, but all the references I had seen were hinged on top, and I had no idea what the differences between the 3 and the 3M were.

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Posted by Moff on Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:43 AM

Also, what's the deal with those funny curved side fenders in all the references? Is that purely an IS-3M feature?

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Posted by Ixion on Sunday, October 25, 2015 1:34 PM

It appears that the side skirts are a model M feature, as are the ribs and braces on the front and rear fenders. There are also changes made to the engine deck grates.

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, October 26, 2015 1:10 AM

Moff

  Is that a saw on the port side? I was always curious what that thing was on Soviet tanks...I thought it was some kind of jack.

 Look right behind the headlight and above the tool box.
It's a two man logging saw with wood handles carried in a shape-fitting rack the same as an IS3 carried.

saw illustration

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by Moff on Monday, October 26, 2015 12:06 PM

Yeah, duh, I can't believe I didn't realize that was a saw...

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Posted by Moff on Monday, October 26, 2015 12:11 PM

Ixion

It appears that the side skirts are a model M feature, as are the ribs and braces on the front and rear fenders. There are also changes made to the engine deck grates.

 

 

Got it. Sorry for being a bother, in the future I'll just buy an Osprey...maybe :)

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Posted by Moff on Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:27 PM

I don't know if it's too late to resuscitate this thread, but I had another question: did IS-3s have an externally visible conduit/wire for the headlights? My references don't show any, but they are photos of tanks that have been quite possibly stripped of all working parts. Any answers?

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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:34 PM
Lem'me help 'ya get a beat going here.....
             
                          http://wapspell.com/cx/image/sm/c/3375

There's  nothing wrong with an old thread.

I believe there's a short cable that comes out from under the turret (flat against the glacis) and connects directly behind the light, but I cannot find a picture anywhere that is clear enough to provide any of that detail.

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by Moff on Thursday, November 12, 2015 7:22 AM

Hmmm...I may just skip that detail since I'm already in the painting stage. Why didn't they just put the cable inside the hull? Makes no sense.

 

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