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  • Member since
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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:24 PM

I have this kit in my stash. Here's a tut to assemble the trck but the pictures are gone

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/p/157928/1708980.aspx#1708980

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Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

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  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:52 PM

And I use Testors Liquid Cement (much like Tamiya extra thin). You just have to let the glue set for at least 5 minutes and they will go on without much trouble. If you wait for about ten minutes after letting the glue set for a while they are easier to manage, if only a little stiff. Gravity will take over after that. With a little gentle prodding to get them how you want them.

These tracks are really easy to work with. Not sure why most guys find them so difficult lol. Must be an oddity of my own making. [shrug] lol

Edit; Crap. I thought we were talking about the plastic ones in the kit.  :/  Disregard.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:39 PM

I use a plastic weld and just apply it with a fine old paint brush, just along the edges of the track pads front and back.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:18 PM

What type of glue are you using and how are you applying it? Seems like I would either need A. Extra thick super glue or B. something like a touch-and flow applicator, neither of which I currently have.... I dont think these type of tracks would be even remotely as much of a PITA as these are, on a larger subject, like a tank.

 

  Thanks!  Rudy

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, March 14, 2016 1:12 PM

I have another 10 sets of those damn Fruil tracks to use up, damn things. I built my Dragon 251 tracks last night in less than 2 hours, far much easier.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 14, 2016 12:26 PM

She's looking good Rudy! 

Or at least until I came to those track links- oh my head! You have better eyes and hand-eye coordination than I! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    April 2015
  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Monday, March 14, 2016 12:21 PM

Boy, you guys were right, these Fruilmodel tracks for this particular subject are no cake walk either. They are so small, I did not have a pin-vise drill bit small enough, so I had to just poek the tip of a pick through the hole to make sure it was clear. This seemed to work O.K. I started to assemble a few short runs, but the "caps" (the rubber pads) for the tracks fit pretty poorly over the "pins" made of wire, but we are dealing with castings here, VERY SMALL castings.... I got all of the track pieces finished last night, as far as cutting the wire for the "pins" and gluing them into place.... Thanks for following!

Rudy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:46 AM

Nice Rudy, keep em coming.

Terry

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  • From: A Galaxy Far, Far Away
Posted by Hunter on Wednesday, March 9, 2016 4:15 PM

It's looking great Rudy. I don't know if this will help you....but take painters tape and assemble the tracks on the sticky side up and once you have the tracks complete run your glue down the center of the tracks. Once the glue dries lightly lift the tracks off the tape. Picked up this from Karl's (the dogg) tank build and detailing article in FSM. Good luck and it is looking sharp.

Hunter 

      

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:59 PM

She is coming along nice. But i would not have high hopes for those Fruils. I love their tracks but found the 251 set a real night mare, personally, i found the Dragon tracks much easier to use.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    April 2015
  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:51 PM

These pics are over a week old, I have since done some detail painting of the shift knobs, the tank on the dash, and the ammunition magazines and ammo contained therin. I also fixed the shifter I broke off again (not seen in these pics), and Gave up on thos godforsaken individual tracks. They are so damn small, (not like a larger tank) and It is nearly impossible to keep the glue from running where it should not be. I bought some fruilmodel tracks, and have spent most of my modeling time Picking out items to make a nice diorama (my first) for my Uncle, in Memory of his father who just passed, a Korean-war Veteran of the First Cavalry, in field artillery. I think my uncle will be elated and love it when its done. I picked up a Bronco 155mm howitzer, and some verlinden Field artillery figures..... I will get back after this halftrack tonight or tomorrow night with some further painting (holding up assembly) and the install of the new fruilmodel tracks when they show up. They will be my first set......

 

Thanks for looking!

Rudy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jibber on Saturday, March 5, 2016 8:29 AM

Going well Rudy..

Terry

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    January 2016
  • From: A Galaxy Far, Far Away
Posted by Hunter on Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:54 AM

Rudy - 

Great choice on the 1/2 track, and it is looking great. I hope to add one of those to my "build list". I will be watching to the end and enjoy the build.

Hunter 

      

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    November 2005
Posted by T26E4 on Monday, February 22, 2016 10:42 AM

PaK are the Anti tank guns, such as the PaK 40. The artillery guns don't really have a designation in the same way as At and AA guns do.

Well yes and no.  All guns had their manner of concise nomenclature.

 

Your AT guns could be (very incomplete lists below: only sampling):

3.7cm PAK 35/36

5cm PAK 38

7.5cm PAK 40

7.5cm PAK 97/38

7.5cm PAK 41

8.8cm PAK 43

8.8cm PAK 41/43

etc.

 

AA guns:

2cm FlaK 30

2cm FlaK 38

3.7cm FlaK 37

3.7cm Flak 43

8.8cm Flak 18

8.8cm Flak 37

8.8cm Flak 41

etc.

 

Field Artillery

7.5cm FeldKanone (FK) 38

10cm Kanone 17

10cm Kanone 18

10.5cm leFH16 (leichte feld haubitze or light field howitzer)

10.5cm leFH18

10.5cm leFH18/40

15cm sFH18 (schwere feld haubtze or heavy field howitzer)

 

etc.

 

Same with all sorts of other artillery, tank guns, rocket artillery, etc.

 

Everything was laid out very plainly.  In usage, a "Pak 40" is assumed to be the widely used 7.5cm.  But look at "Flak 37" -- you'd have to say either 3.7cm Flak 37 or 8.8cm Flak 37.  The caliber weapon officially preceded the model number.

 

 A very good encyclopedia is Ian Hogg's German Artillery of World War Two

(many of which can be had for less than USD20 on bookfinder.com)

 

 

Roy Chow 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, February 19, 2016 12:38 PM

RudyOnWheels

thankd for the clarification BISH! I knew after I posted it that it was wrong, are'nt the "Pak" ones the large artillery cannons? I hope to get some work done on this thing this weekend.  Still looking for some good thread on "winter camo"...

 

  Thanks!

 

  Rudy

 

PaK are the Anti tank guns, such as the PaK 40. The artillery guns don't really have a designation in the same way as At and AA guns do.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    April 2015
  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Friday, February 19, 2016 12:30 PM

thankd for the clarification BISH! I knew after I posted it that it was wrong, are'nt the "Pak" ones the large artillery cannons? I hope to get some work done on this thing this weekend.  Still looking for some good thread on "winter camo"...

 

  Thanks!

 

  Rudy

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:00 AM

Very nice, certainly a lot more detailed that the oneI built from the very old Tamiya kit... Hannomag.

I cant wait to see it painted.

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    October 2015
Posted by Modelrob on Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:55 AM
Making some great progress Ruby I always liked the 251 halftrack.
  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:25 AM

Some nice prgoress Ruby, seem to have got a grip of the gun. I tend to paint and weather the inside of my 251's, then put the two halfs together and do the oputside separately.

And just for your info, the gun is a Flak 37.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    April 2015
  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Friday, February 12, 2016 10:48 PM

Thanks for following guys! Let me say, this "pak 37 or Pak 38" cannon is the most INFURIATING thing I have ever put together... THe instructions are terrible, dont show what order the parts go on, etc. I finally got tired of fighting with a couple of arms that were not allowing me to continue putting on other parts; and I replaced them with solder. I dont think anyone else will notice when Its painted. I also layed down a "base" coat of Model Master "Panzer Dunkelgelb 1943" tonight because of how this thing is built and shaped, there were too many places I'd never be able to paint when its assembled. I am interested in seeing a couple good thread on doing winter camo! Pics go from oldest at the top to latest at the bottom. Thanks for looking!  Rudy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    April 2007
  • From: Schroon Lake, NY
Posted by SMJmodeler on Monday, February 1, 2016 10:12 AM

RudyOnWheels: I love your "can-do" attitude!, nice start.   I'm looking forward to your winter camo' work.  Be sure to paint the vehicle it's typical dunkelgelb (dark yellow) first THEN add the winter wash.

If you have any questions let us know, there are several experienced winter camo' modelers here on the forum...myself included.

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    March 2003
  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, January 30, 2016 2:09 PM

Nice work so far,those indies must be fun. Whistling

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 30, 2016 2:06 PM

Hope you will post some pics of that build Colonel.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    October 2009
Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Saturday, January 30, 2016 2:03 PM

The Dogg build a great one before and posted it on here which I was saving biut when they changed the site here we lost it.

Right now I'm building the251/7 which is basely the same parts. The tracks were giving me fits until I realized they go on one way only. Look at the bottom of the pads. You will see 3 "knobs", one large one in the middle and two smaller ones closer to one side than the other. When you put the large one in the hold of the track make sure the side with the two smaller ones are next to the next track in the link, in your picture that would be on you left. After I realized that the tracks went much faster.

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, January 28, 2016 8:15 PM

Oooh, I've been wanting to add this version to the stash for a while now. Nice start! 

Eric

 

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    January 2013
Posted by jibber on Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:51 PM

Love these vehicles so I'll certainly follow along. Rudy nice choice.

Terry 

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 28, 2016 5:06 PM

O, nice, a 251, i never get enough of those. I built this one myself a couple of years ago. I rathe rliked it and i found the tracks a damn sight easier than 251 Fruils. Look forward to seeing more.

And it might actually inspire to finally get the diorama finished for mine.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    April 2015
  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Dragon 251 Half-Track
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Thursday, January 28, 2016 5:03 PM

This will only be my second Piece of Armor, and my first higher-end kit, but I dove right in. Not sure how much of the PE I will use, as I have never used it before, we shall see. I think I will paint the dash area with the base coat at least, so I can put the gauge decals on, then Dul-coat just that area to seal them in. I am going to try my hand at some winter Camo, like on the Box. This is my first foray with individual tracks, I found the "ez tracks" to be more of a PITA than the regular ones on the sprues. I worked on making some for about 3 hours, and completed a whole 4-1/2"!!!  Nothing too exciting to see just yet, but here goes nothing: Thanks!!! Rudy

 

 

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