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First jeep actually a Ford.
Posted by crackers on Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:13 AM

It was on July 15, 1941 that the Willys-Overland Company was contracted by the U.S. Army to begin production of the Willys MB off-roader in Toledo, Ohio, where jeeps are still manufactured today. However, the oldest existing "jeep" actualy was a Ford. The simple, ruggard 4x4 was the result of as competition among bids made by American Bantam, Willys-Overland and Ford. The Willys proposal finally won, but ther final product incorporated several elements featured in Ford's entry, including the large table-like hood and headlights mounted under it and within the grille for protection. Both companies manufactured 600,000 versions of the vehicle during the Second World War. But, it was Ford's prototype, known as the "Pygmy" that was delivered to the Army on November 23, 1940 that began the ultimate design for the classic jeep. This original model was given to the Henry Ford Museum in 1948, then donated to a private collector in 1982. Maintained in original condition, the Pygmy is on permanent display at the U.S. Veteran's Memorial Museum at Huntsville, Alabama.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:02 PM

Not totally accurate.  The first Jeep was actually the Bantam BRC-40.  It was initially accepted as the production vehicle, but Bantam could not fulfill the contract and the Willys MB was selected instead.  Once Willys started production, they too were unable to fulfill the order by themselves and Ford was also contracted to license build the Willys design, the MB.  Ford designated this the GPW: G for Government, P for Passenger, W for Willys pattern.  The Ford front grill was eventually accepted as the standard design since it was easier to manufacture than both the Bantam and Willys welded grill designs.

Bantam BRC-40

Early Willys MB Slat Grill

Later Willys MB w/stamped "Ford-style" grill

Ford GPW

The biggest difference externally between the Ford and Willys jeeps is the front frame crossmember that runs under the radiator.  On the Ford, it has an upside-down "U" profile.  On the Willys, it is a round tube. 

Ford Square crossmember

Willys round crossmember

Also, all jeeps initially had a warranty.  Old man Ford wasn't about to fix a Willys jeep, so he put a script F on just about every part on his jeep so he could tell who built it.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 AM

Bantam

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Posted by ridleusmc on Monday, July 18, 2016 2:35 AM

Bantam did get the honor of making the trailers for WWII jeeps.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, July 18, 2016 7:53 AM

Very interesting, thanks guys! 

I think I've been to that museum in Huntsville and have some photos of that 'Jeep.' I'll look for them but the way I'm organized it'd probably be easier to find Dan 'DB' Cooper than for me to find those photos... 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, July 18, 2016 8:02 AM

Ford also put a script "Ford" on the rear body panel until Willys screamed and the gov't made them stop.

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Posted by crackers on Monday, July 18, 2016 10:02 AM

Wow ! You guys really know how to fill in the blank spaces of more info on the legendary jeep. Thanks.

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Posted by crackers on Monday, July 18, 2016 10:23 AM

 

In my humble opinion, one of the most exciting adventures of the Jeep in WWII, were the action of the Desert Rats, the name given to the British Seventh Armored Division led by Allen Frances Harding, in a series of hit and run attacks against General Erwin Rommel, the "Desert Fox" and his German Afrika Korps in North Africa.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, July 18, 2016 11:35 AM

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Ford also put a script "Ford" on the rear body panel until Willys screamed and the gov't made them stop.

Not really.  Both Ford and Willys originally put their names on the left rear of their respective jeeps.  The US Govt rewrote the contract in early '42 to have no company marks included on the jeeps from that point forward.

Willys labeled MB jeep

Ford script GPW jeep

The "scripted jeep" feature of the names on the rear is one way for collectors to tell when their jeeps were produced.  The earlier script vehicles are highly sought after.

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Posted by richs26 on Monday, July 18, 2016 2:36 PM

Don't forget the 1500 Ford GP's made alongside the Willys' MA's and the BRC-40's.  My neighbor had a GP back in 1979 that we wrenched on for a little bit before he sold it.

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, July 18, 2016 2:41 PM

Thanks Gino, have never seen the Willys script, but have seen several of the Ford ones over the years.  Appreciate the correction.

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Posted by WillysMB on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM

The Bantam prototypes were followed by the Budd (Ford) Pygmy and Willys Quad prototypes based on their respective interpretations of the Bantum design. Then the Bantam BRC40, Willys MA, and Ford GP early production versions, and finally the Willys MB and Ford GPW. The MBT trailers were made by both Bantam and Willys and a couple smaller manufacturers. There were a number of interesting variants such as the GPA Seep, MB-TUG 6 wheeler, a gyro copter, and a halftrack. Then there's the LRDG version while the SAS had their own variant late in the war.

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:32 PM

Much has been said on this thread about the American jeep. During WWII, German military planners had their own version of a "jeep". They built the Kubelwagon (left) as a primary light vehicle, while the schwimmwagon (right), offered greater off road capabilities such as amphibious ability. This four-wheel drive vehicle was mass produced at 15,000 units. Only 160 remain in existance. Both of these vehicles are on display at the Armed Forces Day HMV rally in Ohio.

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, August 1, 2016 5:36 AM

Later to become the VW Thing in the 70s?

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, August 1, 2016 10:07 AM

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Later to become the VW Thing in the 70s? 

Not really.  The Kubelwagon sort of looked like the VW 181 (known as the Thing in the US).  The Thing was based on a VW Beetle chassis and styled to look similar to the WWII Kubelwagon, but that is about all they have in common.  It was originally built for the West German Army as a jeep-like vehicle in 1968, and was also sold to the German public, as the Kurierwagen (Courier Car), and under other names across Europe and Central/South America.  It was on sale on the civilian market through 1980.

VW Thing

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, August 1, 2016 11:40 AM

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 ...The Thing was based on a VW Beattle chassis and styled to look similar to the WWII Kubelwagon, but that is about all they have in common.

But wasn't the Kübelwagen itself built on the Beetle (Käfer) chassis?

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, August 1, 2016 11:59 AM

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But wasn't the Kübelwagen itself built on the Beetle (Käfer) chassis?

A few initial prototypes were built on a Beetle chassis, but they proved to be too lightweight and an all-new chassis was designed specifically for the Kubelwagon that was stronger and stiffer.  The new chassis is what went into production as the WWII Kubelwagon.

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, August 1, 2016 8:03 PM

I was surprised one day when I actually looked at the I.D. plates on my M151 and saw that it said Ford.

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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, August 2, 2016 12:28 AM

Yes, Ford developed it in 1951, and built it starting in 1960, then built later by Kaiser and AM General as the M-151A2.

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