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A quick and easy question about the King Tiger

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A quick and easy question about the King Tiger
Posted by CarnivourousDonut on Friday, December 23, 2016 5:53 PM

Let's rattle the cage, crack the machine. Let 'em know who you are, shine to be seen.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, December 23, 2016 6:44 PM

I Googled it and couldn't find no pictures,I'm not an expert but I'm going to say no.They were 68 tons and badly underpowered,I can't see them adding more weight,except for extra tracks on the turret.

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Posted by Revenant on Friday, December 23, 2016 6:50 PM

A quick and easy answer:  NO...

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Posted by Bronto on Friday, December 23, 2016 7:46 PM

NO.....................just NO

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, December 25, 2016 6:55 AM

No extra armour was ever added to the Tiger II.

At 68 tons it was heavy and the armour at that time was good enough to beat most (but not all) tank mounted weapons.

 

There were plans to upgrade the Tiger II with a 105mm main gun, more powerful engine (it was underpowered) and other upgrades such as air con for the crew ets, but this never happened as factories were captured and the war ended before the upgrade would have started.

At this time, the Germans were beginning to consolidate the panzer production process and produce less types and concentrate more on the Panther, Panzer IV and Tiger II. The Tiger I went out of production to facilitate more Tiger II production, altough the Tiger I remained in action right to the last day of the war.

If the Tiger II and the war had gone on and the proposed upgrade had happened then with a better engine and a 105mm main gun and other upgrades the tiger II could have been a very potent weapon on the battlefield especially as they were all crewed by highly experienced and trained combat veterans.

The Tiger II chassis, with some mods was the proposed chassis for the E-series of tanks which would have replaced the Panzer IV. Panther and Tiger II and would have been moch quicker and easier to produce as the majority of parts were the same and as such, interchangeable.

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Posted by Poniatowski on Sunday, December 25, 2016 7:02 AM

No. Interesting info on the upgrades.

Ron

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Posted by TigerII on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:22 PM

Nope

Achtung Panzer! Colonel General Heinz Guderian
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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:02 PM

Those "artists" completely fail to consider the purpose of similar armor added to other German tanks.  The turret and hull "schurzen" armor was installed in response to Soviet PTRD and PTRS 14.5mm anti-tank rifles which could pierce many vulnerable spots on many German AFVs.  By setting up shurzen armor (and later mesh "Thoma" shields) on brackets around vulnerable areas, a 14.5mm AT bullet could be defeated because as it passed through the soft shurzen/Thoma, the bullet would spin and then shatter on the tank's own armor -- unable to penetrate it.

There is a widespread myth that the shurzen was developed to protect against HEAT weapons like bazookas and Panzerfausten.  Nope.

People are well aware of schurzen armor on Pz IIIs, Pz IVs and Sturgeschutzen.  But look at the swatch of plates above the roadwheels of Panthers and Hetzers -- the armor behind the roadwheels was a vulnerable spot -- and engineers slapped thin armor to protect them.  Tiger Is and Tiger IIs had side fenders that effectively protected the thin walls behind the wheels.

It's sheer fantasy to imagine any Panzer crew slapping 5mm thick armor around a Tiger II's turret -- simply to protect it against Russian AT rifle bullets which couldn't penetrate the turret armor regardless.

It's sheer bad fantasy stuff and without  even a relatsionship to historical reality.

Roy Chow 

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