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Listing of WWII US Armor and 1:35 kits?

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Listing of WWII US Armor and 1:35 kits?
Posted by AlanF on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:21 AM

Does anyone know if there is a listing of 1:35 kits available for WWII US Armor?

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:51 AM

Um, that's going to be a pile of kits. You're probably better off just keying what you're looking for and scale into a search engine aka 1/35th M4A3 etc. 

Here's a nice website on modeling US hardware from the Second World War. He has some reviews but it's only the tip of the iceberg and looks like he's not updated the site in years.

www.usarmymodels.com 

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Posted by Ixion on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:29 AM

Way back in 1998, Ampersand Publishing produced; Armor Modeler's Guide to the Universe, listing over 4500, 1/35th scale products for armor modelers. Obviously, it is completely out of date by now and I don't see that a revised addition has ever been printed, but this type of listing has been produced in the past.

Equally obvious, given the current rate of new kit production, any such listing would be obsolete before it was even printed, which begs the question of why Ampersand even bothered in the first place?

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:53 AM

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Posted by Revenant on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 12:18 PM

Why would you want such a list ???

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Posted by AlanF on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 1:25 PM

Revenant - good question.  First, I was curious.  I see a lot of German armor and wanted to know about US armor kits.  Second, I woud like to build a collection of WW2 armor.  Right now that means heading over to Wiki to get a list of US Armor used in WW2 (I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area, but I am learning) and then doing a Google search on each piece to see what is available in 1:35 and then another Google search for reviews on those kits. It is fun but time consuming. So, I was wondering if anyone has already done some of that "legwork".

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 2:58 PM

It might be easier to go on certain website and do a search for 1/35th armour kits. Sure, you will have filter through all the none US WW2 ones. Hannants for example lists 1,848 1/35th armour kits. Of course, this won't cover every kit, those they don't stock and those OOP, but it would be a start. Try the same thing for Sprue Brothers or your company of choice.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 4:44 PM

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 5:16 PM

To my mind that's kind of an inverted way of looking at it.

A major problem is that such a list would mostly just lead you to kits that are claimed to be as advertised.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 9:04 PM

Gamera

Um, that's going to be a pile of kits. You're probably better off just keying what you're looking for and scale into a search engine aka 1/35th M4A3 etc. 

Here's a nice website on modeling US hardware from the Second World War. He has some reviews but it's only the tip of the iceberg and looks like he's not updated the site in years.

www.usarmymodels.com 

 

That is probably the closest you will find a one stop answer on a site. But it is out of date, and lots of kits have come out since it was last updated. Except for some small use AFVs such as the Marmon Herrington and M2 Light tanks, the majority of widely used US WWII armor has been kitted in 1/35 scale injection molded plastic. Availability of certain kits is a bigger issue. But the workhorses of the Army and Marines are out there. 

 

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Posted by MikeyBugs95 on Friday, December 30, 2016 6:30 AM

If you want a list of all or most of the vehicles used by the US and Allies during WWII, find this book: 

British and American Tanks of World War II by Peters Chamberlain and Chris Ellis. It isn't hard to find. You can pick a copy up relatively cheaply off Amazon or eBay. It's a great reference to have. 

 

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, December 30, 2016 6:54 AM
My go to source for books is www.bookfinder.com. It links in all the new/used bookseller search engines into one spot and the prices listed include shipping. For instance, the British and American Tanks of World War 2 book can be had for under $7 shipped, according to several listings that pop up from bookfinder.com

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Posted by AlanF on Friday, December 30, 2016 8:56 AM

Thanks everyone for the input.  I had no idea that this would be such a complicated and daunting task. There certainly seems to be a lot of armor kits made over the years.

I just ordered "British and American Tanks of World War 2" as it seems like a great reference. Thanks for pointing me to this book.

However, being a database guy, anyone of the major modeling sources (spruebrothers, squadron, etc.) can easily produce a starting point list. They already have a pretty extensive database and, assuming it contains past out of stock items, a simple SQL query should bring up a listing that could be a good starting point. Heck, throw it into Excel, format it, output as a PDF and sell the thing or put it up as a resource. Such a list could be added to by the community - just a thought.  Maybe it's just me, but I like lists. They help me plan.

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, December 30, 2016 11:32 AM

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Posted by AlanF on Friday, December 30, 2016 12:04 PM

Rob Gronovius

Once upon a time, an online model retailer called Great Models was literally a database of all available military models and aftermarket...

Ahhh, I remember them well.  They also had review links associated with each model.  What a labor of love. Didn't Spruebrothers buy out their inventory? I had hoped that whoever bought them out would retain the database.

That's a good idea with Scalemates.  I haven't used them much.

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, December 30, 2016 12:15 PM

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, December 31, 2016 8:30 PM

AlanF
can easily produce a starting point list



Yes, but, to my thinking, what you really need is a TOE list, which will likely need a "by year' sub-listing.

See, in 1940 there wer some decidedly soft-skinned "armor" out there--57mm guns on WC54 chassis; 75mm guns in M3 and M5 chassis, and the like.  Tracked armor would include M@ & M3 light tanks and M3 & M4 medium tanks.

By 1943, that TOE is significantly different.  The light tanks will include the M5, several varieties of M4 would be in existence.  Additionally there are several SPH, the M8 armored car, and even the M36.

Two more years muddies the waters even more, with M18, M24 and M26 just in tracked armor.  Several armored cars, and the M10, and SPH of several sorts.

That, at least would give a place to stand.

Then, you'd have to sort out this difference between 'distributed" and "available" (OOP is not, per se, unavailable).  But, the distributors are a bit at the mercy of the manufacturers, too.  Which will be a huge issue in the database.

As a for instance.  The M3 series of half-tracks is fairly extensively kitted.  However, a third of all half-track production wa the M5 series, by International Harvester.  Which used just enough variation in style as to be visually obvious (and not easy to scratch an M3 over to look like).  There has been a resin kit of the M5, but it never seemed to come to fruition.  Dragon (IIRC) showed some CAD previews, but whether or not it's in production is a different question.

So, yes, the database could be built,  But, I'll wager you, you'd need two others to track "being kitted now" and "available by any means."  With probably a thrid database just to track reviews (consider that there are two Tamiya M4A3E8 kits; the reviews for one are very different tham for the other).

Would be an elegant database if created; the lookup tables would be fascinating to build, too.

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Posted by AlanF on Thursday, January 5, 2017 6:02 PM

CapnMac82 - Interesting.  It is a lot more complicated than I thought but it would be a great project.  I've designed tons of databases and this certainly would be fun. It's not anything I could do on my own since I don't have that knowledge but there certainly a lot of people that do. Maybe when I retire I'll put together a team. Smile

My copy of British and American Tanks of WWII came in today! Nice reference book.

 

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