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Clear coat over mud?
Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:19 AM

So i just used ak interactive mud enamel colors and plaster base. It seems to rub off pretty easily. Should i spray a light coat of clear over it? Will that inadvertantly blend the different tones the mud has?

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:49 AM

I wouldn't, you just have to be careful how you handle it if you have to at all. generally, pigments and mud should be one of the last things you do and after the clear coating.

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:02 AM

Bish

I wouldn't, you just have to be careful how you handle it if you have to at all. generally, pigments and mud should be one of the last things you do and after the clear coating.

 

what are some negative effects?

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:14 AM

For pastels it can erase them. For the mud, yes it may wel blend the tones if they are very subtle differances and if you have dry and wet mud. I am surprised to hear its rubbing off so easy seeing as you used plaster.

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:22 AM

Bish

For pastels it can erase them. For the mud, yes it may wel blend the tones if they are very subtle differances and if you have dry and wet mud. I am surprised to hear its rubbing off so easy seeing as you used plaster.

 

i just mixed the plaster with the enamel color. Was i supposed to add something else?

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:08 AM

So you put them on dry. If you want built up mud, you should really mix it with a small amout of water. The plaster will then harden. I also apply pigments on there own mixed witrh a smal amount of water. This allows for a build up of dust/dirt and excess can be removed.

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:12 AM

Bish

So you put them on dry. If you want built up mud, you should really mix it with a small amout of water. The plaster will then harden. I also apply pigments on there own mixed witrh a smal amount of water. This allows for a build up of dust/dirt and excess can be removed.

 

i use acrylic clear coat. Wont the water dissolve it?

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:24 AM

No. And when used for bult up dust, it helps it adhere.

Heres a couple of pics. The dirt on the wheels was just pigment mixed in water and a tiny drop of washing up liquid.

And the mud on the back is pigments, plaster and water.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:28 AM

Bish

No. And when used for bult up dust, it helps it adhere.

Heres a couple of pics. The dirt on the wheels was just pigment mixed in water and a tiny drop of washing up liquid.

And the mud on the back is pigments, plaster and water.

 

thanks for the help. Will the appearance differ from the way i did it?

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:34 AM

Its shouldn't, though i have never tried it with anything otehr than water. pratice it on somthing useing different mix's. Thick/thin, different colours etc and see what you prefer.

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:57 PM

Bish

Its shouldn't, though i have never tried it with anything otehr than water. pratice it on somthing useing different mix's. Thick/thin, different colours etc and see what you prefer.

 

ok i will. Can you recommend a product that gives a good dark mud effect? I used ak's "dark mud" and "fresh mud" enamel color but they both dried pretty light in color. Ive got some pigments in the mail like "european earth". 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:02 PM

Mig's Dark Mud and Russian Earth may fit the bill.

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Posted by Jrbirdman on Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:08 PM

Tojo72

Mig's Dark Mud and Russian Earth may fit the bill.

 

would you personally get the pigments or the enamel color (to use with plaster.) Or does it depend on the effect i want

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:42 PM

Euro earth is lighter than the dark mud. Tye MiG one is a bit darker than the AK one. The Russian earth is the darkest one i have.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:48 PM

Jrbirdman

 

 
Tojo72

Mig's Dark Mud and Russian Earth may fit the bill.

 

 

 

would you personally get the pigments or the enamel color (to use with plaster.) Or does it depend on the effect i want

 

 

I have only used pigments with plaster,so I can't compare.

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Posted by JohnMatt on Sunday, January 29, 2017 10:40 PM

Having never done this before and starting my first tank, can you color the plaster with a wash product, like the Vallejo washes? They seem to have a lot of pigment to them.

I've also seen videos where people simply use PVA colored with pigments instead of plaster. One guy actually just mixed real dirt into it, for texture (with the pigment) and it looked pretty good. Is plaster better than PVA?

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 30, 2017 2:03 AM

I've never tried PVA myself, but i don't seewhy not. Can always doa test, just mix up a small bit and see how it goes. Might have to give it a try myself on my next armour build.

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