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Magic Tracks!!!
Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 3:43 PM

It is my first time using "Magic Tracks". (I think thats what you call them)  Is it normal behavior to want to throw tank model up againest the wall? I watched the Youtube videos and they make it look so easy. I am working on a Tamiya Carro Armato. When I go to fit them around the road wheels one section or another becomes "unglued". Am I not letting it sit long enough? Or is it the glue? I use this brand called Faller which I like for general stuff. In the videos they all seem to be using Tamiya. Is that the secret. Do I need to make a trip to the LHS? Do I need more patience?

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 28, 2017 3:59 PM

Those are not magic tracks they are simple Indy link tracks. Magic tracks are a brand name used by Dragon and they are rather differant and much easier to work with (well, some people think so Big Smile). On the odd occasion i use Indy links, i make the straight part up they goes under the road wheels and then fit the ones that go around the drive sprocket and return roller in situ, but being careful not to glue them to the wheels as i paint my tracks off the vehicle. But i do find them a pain and try to avoid them.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:00 PM

It does sound like you need to let the glue cure a bit longer. But the Tamiya LC is a very nice glue to work with regardless.

I used to use only Testors LC until I tried it.

you may want to use a test section to figure out how long your glue takes to setup. The tracks should be somewhat stiff before you wrap them around the running gear.

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:05 PM

Bish

Those are not magic tracks they are simple Indy link tracks. Magic tracks are a brand name used by Dragon and they are rather differant and much easier to work with (well, some people think so Big Smile). On the odd occasion i use Indy links, i make the straight part up they goes under the road wheels and then fit the ones that go around the drive sprocket and return roller in situ, but being careful not to glue them to the wheels as i paint my tracks off the vehicle. But i do find them a pain and try to avoid them.

 

Thanks for clearing up the Magic Tracks thing. Another thing learned. The indie tracks I used were in about 15 pieces. Pretty much had done what you mentioned. Glued them and pre-fitted them...worked fine. Primed and painted them and just couldn't keep one section and then another from "breaking". I just decided to glue the bejeezis out of them section by sectionto the road wheels as much as possible. This doe not bode well for the ICM T35 I have in my stash. Might have to break down and buy those Fruil tracks. I just find it hard to spend three time more than what I paid for the model.Smile Thanks Again, Doug.

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:08 PM

M. Brindos

It does sound like you need to let the glue cure a bit longer. But the Tamiya LC is a very nice glue to work with regardless.

I used to use only Testors LC until I tried it.

you may want to use a test section to figure out how long your glue takes to setup. The tracks should be somewhat stiff before you wrap them around the running gear.

 

I like the Faller glue I use for my skill set but will give Tamiya LC a try. Thanks, Doug.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:22 PM

I often have problems even with Magic tracks, especially after applying washes. I know what you mean about the price of Fruils, i still have about 30 sets to use. But i do prefer them over anything bar magic tracks or similar.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:23 PM

It seems we misunderstood you a little. Once you get the tracks wrapped around the wheels it's sometimes handy to have a rubber band (I like my wife's stretched out old hair bands) to hold the tracks under tension around the running gear so you don't have to fight the sections from separating.

That info should help you with your problem.  :)

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:43 PM

[quote user="Bish"]

I often have problems even with Magic tracks, especially after applying washes. I know what you mean about the price of Fruils, i still have about 30 sets to use. But i do prefer them over anything bar magic tracks or similar.

 

[/quote I just priced Fruils for my T 35, they are 4 times what I paid for the kit! lol

 

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:49 PM

M. Brindos

It seems we misunderstood you a little. Once you get the tracks wrapped around the wheels it's sometimes handy to have a rubber band (I like my wife's stretched out old hair bands) to hold the tracks under tension around the running gear so you don't have to fight the sections from separating.

That info should help you with your problem.  :)

 Thanks Mike. Bish and your advise will come in handy down the road. I looked through my modest stash and have 3 more armor kits that have indie links. Sadly? I went cave man and glued the crap out of them! Actually, so far, they look better than would be expected. Btw, Just saw your T 90 build. Three words...Fab..u..lous!Yes

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:13 PM

[quote user="DasBeav"]

[quote user="Bish"]

I often have problems even with Magic tracks, especially after applying washes. I know what you mean about the price of Fruils, i still have about 30 sets to use. But i do prefer them over anything bar magic tracks or similar.

 

[/quote I just priced Fruils for my T 35, they are 4 times what I paid for the kit! lol

 

 

[/quote]

WOW, thats either a cheap kit or very expensive Fruils. Most of mine were around £30 and i don't think i have paid less than 20 for an armour kit.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:13 PM

Thank you very much.   :)

Those tracks came in two runs of links per side. I had to bend them around the wheels to shape them and then glue them together in two spots.

Thats the first time I've dealt with that method, but it wasn't difficult. I glued the bottom run of tracks first and connected them to one of the wheels. Once that dried I connected them at the top. Rubber hair band for the win.

I didn't have to use any glue around the drive sprocket, so it came out with more detail than normal. 

It turned out really well for being in 1/72. Now I'm very much interested in the new 1/72 T-55 Revell just released this month.  :)

it looks just as good!

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:25 PM

M. Brindos

Thank you very much.   :)

Those tracks came in two runs of links per side. I had to bend them around the wheels to shape them and then glue them together in two spots.

Thats the first time I've dealt with that method, but it wasn't difficult. I glued the bottom run of tracks first and connected them to one of the wheels. Once that dried I connected them at the top. Rubber hair band for the win.

I didn't have to use any glue around the drive sprocket, so it came out with more detail than normal. 

It turned out really well for being in 1/72. Now I'm very much interested in the new 1/72 T-55 Revell just released this month.  :)

it looks just as good!

 

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Posted by DasBeav on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:31 PM

[quote user="Bish"]

[quote user="DasBeav"]

[quote user="Bish"]

I often have problems even with Magic tracks, especially after applying washes. I know what you mean about the price of Fruils, i still have about 30 sets to use. But i do prefer them over anything bar magic tracks or similar.

 

[/quote I just priced Fruils for my T 35, they are 4 times what I paid for the kit! lol

 

 

[/quote]

WOW, thats either a cheap kit or very expensive Fruils. Most of mine were around £30 and i don't think i have paid less than 20 for an armour kit.

 

[/quote]I paid $14 US. for the T35. I am quite fortunate to live a few minutes away from a Ebay seller who sometimes deals in models. No shipping and 10% off for cash. The Fruils I priced at $65US through my LHS supplier. Maybe cheaper eslewhere.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:37 PM

$65!! Ouch!

Id rather deal with Indy links at that price. 

I used a decent set on my Tamiya Panther A that we're made for the Ausf G. They were Tamiya indies though. So, they worked anyways.

$20 on eBay and a very nice upgrade compared to the stock vinyl tracks provided.

I think you need more options here.

* AFV Club Indy links have been good to me so far.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:04 PM

I prefer Magic Tracks over Tamiya Link and Length Tracks.For the Magic Tracks I usually put the whole run minus a couple of links together using Tamiya Extra Thin,wait about 25 minutes,then wrap the entire assembly around the wheels,wait overnite,then pull the whole assembly off,paint,weather,and then attach permanently.

Of course I do prefer metal tracks except for the cost.May I recommend Spade Ace Metal tracks as a cheaper alternative to Fruils.Some of the plastic workables are really good,like the ones on my Meng T-90.I'm looking forward to try the workable indies on my Bronco Stug next.

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:32 AM

Here's the absolute "BEST" magic track method.

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P.S. - I've tried several variations of posting a direct link to this connection but apparently the new and improved FSM format of August 2015 will not support hot links.

 

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