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Jagdtiger PE question.
Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 7:57 AM

Like I said on the other thread I'm going to build a Dragon Jagdtiger Porseche with Zimmerit soon and asked about the tracks.

Well now I've been looking at the PE sets and got confused with a Eduard fender set. The Eduard set 35705 Fender set seems to be in two parts.  The instruction sheet says to first put one set of fenders on the model then put the other set with the Zimmerit on top of the first set.

Is this right? I've never had to do something like that before with PE. Can someone explain this double fender set?

In pictures of the real Jagdtiger the fenders look real thick, seen some laying on the ground beside the Jagdtiger as well as parts on it. I'm wondering if I can't just use the ones that are in the box and forget abouth the PE fenders. One thing I will be doing with it, some parts of the fenders will be laying on the ground like in the picture I was talking about so it will show how thick the fender parts are.

Right now I'm just ordering the parts to get it all here before I start work on it.

Which would be better, the PE double set or the fenders in the box for what I want to do?

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 9:27 AM

I just hada look at the instructions on line and i can see what you meanb. Its the same for the side skirts.

I think this is will be one of those cases where kit is better than PE, which may be to thin. Eduard may have done it that way to give a thicker look. Also, i am not sure the fenders and side skirts would have Zimm on them anyway. Do the ones in the pics your looking at have it applied.

 ''I am a Norfolk man, and I glory in being so''

 On the bench: Dragon 1/72nd He 162, Revell 1/32nd He162, HPH 1/18th BMW 003 for He162.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:16 AM

No but the model does. It's the one with Zimm on it and has it on the side skrits and fenders.

Your right about one thing. I met to say side skirts. I'll try to post the picture of the "side skirts" on the ground. I'm not trying to copy the picture 100%, just use the same "idea" in a different diorama.

Look at the front side skirt, you can see how "thick" it is. With Zimm it would be ever thicker. So now I'm thinking more the model parts than the PE.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:20 AM

I don't think even 2 layers of PE would be thick enough for that. I think i would stick with the kit, especially given how nice Dragon kits have been recently.

 ''I am a Norfolk man, and I glory in being so''

 On the bench: Dragon 1/72nd He 162, Revell 1/32nd He162, HPH 1/18th BMW 003 for He162.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Thanks. I'm thinking the same thing.

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Posted by Ixion on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:49 AM

According to page 179 of Jagdtiger, The most Powerful Armored Fighting Vehicle of WWII, Vol II., the last two Porsche suspension Jagdtigers, 305011 and 305012, did not have Zimmerit. The first two built, 305001 (Porsche) and 305002 (Henschel) also didn't have Zimmerit, all of the other (8) Porsche suspension Jagdtigers had Zimmerit, including it being applied to the fenders as well, as seen here, (current Bovington vehicle, Fgstnr. 305004);

On many photos it is difficult to discern whether Zimmerit is present or not, due to the poor resolution of the photo. Since there are 3 Porsche Jagdtigers without Zimmerit, one really needs to be able to identify which chassis number a vehicle actually is before determining how to model the features that would be present. There are variations seen during production of these 11 vehicles, as noted here;

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/message/1020920018

The majority of Jagdtiger photos show them missing the fenders completely. I don't know of a photo showing a Porsche suspension vehicle with Zimmerit on the hull, but without Zimmerit on the fenders. There are variations of the Zimmerit application noted, but here again, poor quality photos can make this discernment difficult.

As far as scale thickness is concerned, the actual thickness of the fenders is 5mm, (not including the thickness of the Zimmerit), which works out to 19 thousandths of an inch in 1/35. Two layers of 4 thousandths PE would be 8, plus the thickness of glue and paint, would be close to scale thickness once you factor in the thickness of the Zimmerit. Real Zimmerit was applied in two layers. The first layer was 5mm thick and the second layer was 3mm thick. The resulting final thickness would depend on which method was used to score, tool, or stamp the pattern into the second layer. Sorry, but I haven't completed all the math because I don't have any figures for the thicknesses of model glue, primer and paint, plus the variability of the Zimmerit thickness itself...

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